Multiverse Fatigue

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I didn’t mind cinematic universes until I had to watch seasons of TV to understand what was going on

It's wild that they're just doing the exact same things that almost destroyed the comicbook industry but with movies

The biggest problem in the MCU (besides bad writing) is easily the power creep. They’ve put themselves in a position where each new baddy has to threaten more than the last, from city to world to universe to multiverse. Not only this, but they arent willing to dedicate the time to make it feel right. Thanos took like a DECADE to build up to, and yet we were supposed to buy Kang or whatever else as a multiversal threat

“To make matters worse, it was absolutely fantastic” has to be the best review of Spiderverse I’ve ever heard

I think Gunn said it best, people aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of bad movies.

The multiverse is to the 2020s what zombies were to the 2010s.

Misspoke and said “ragnarok” instead of “love and thunder” my bad - Eddy

I just love the repeat cycle of Disney throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at every production and expecting people to gargle it up like we’re cats wanting catnip

The easiest way to avoid multiverse fatigue is...wait for it...writing a good story and characters that are interesting and entertaining to watch.

I think one of the things that the Spiderverse movies do well is, while they do have a multiverse as a core aspect of the story, it feels CONTAINED. When I watch those movies, I don't feel overwhelmed when they start talking about the multiverse, because the way it's handled in the story keeps it contained and relevant to it.

THANK YOU for not blaming the writers and cgi artists. It takes time to make something great, and when people call writers and cg artists “lazy” it just validates the unreasonably intense working conditions they live under. It makes the solution to make them “work harder”, when the real problem is that they’re given TOO MUCH work and too little time, while staffing is cut short to save money.

there's currently only one multiverse I'm interested in right now, and it's the Spider-verse. They don't just try and say "Oh these movies are connected, isn't that wacky?", they actually focus on the multiverse as a concept and how it can come in danger.

I never realised the Multiverse of Madness writers didn't see WandaVision before writing it, but that movie makes so much more sense now. Moral of the story, don't let one part of your story directly contradict the previous part!

One promising thing James Gunn has said is that he wants every movie in his DCU to be able to be watched on its own without seeing anything else

This is why moon knight is my fave post-endgame marvel story - I get why comic fans might have wanted something different but it was just so nice to jump into some new characters without having to draw a flow chart to figure out where they fit 😅

When I was in high school/middle school I collected comics with a passion, especially Marvel. Wolverine, X-Men, X-Foce, New Mutants, Excalibur, etc. Also, Punisher, Ghost Rider, and whatever else that looked interesting (even the occasional DC title). I loved the relatable characters the epic stories, lore, artwork. I had my favorite writers, illustrators. And then after about 8 years I almost completely stopped. It's not that I stopped liking comics, but I realized that typical superhero stories NEVER END. Why was I spending tons of money on something that will never have a satisfying conclusion? It just goes on and on and on. Today, I will occassional pick up a "serious" graphic novel or limited run series, but I'm done with perpetrual super heroes. MCU as we know it should have ended after Endgame. Almost everything else feels watered down.

One thing you guys didn’t talk much about is how these movies feel very homogeneous. They’ve evolved to be as hard to keep up with as comics but without telling risky stories that comics tell because the budget behind making a big budget movie means they’re not willing to do something weird or make a statement out of fear of audiences not agreeing.

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This is why I like the Monsterverse approach: the movies are loosely connected, there's one every two years, and it features Godzilla and a bunch of monsters punching each other in the face. In other words: they don't saturate consumers, provide a self-contained experience and deliver on what they promise.