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That pitching analytics breakdown by Smoltz was awesome. More baseball talk please.

I love the rule change Smoltz suggested. Watching starting pitchers go deep into games makes them more intriguing.

For the analytics geeks, which is more valuable, the pitcher who goes over 200 innings, stays healthy and is not always throwing at max velocity and spin rate? Pitchers learn to pitch in the minors, or they should. I remember pitchers going over 300 innings in a year. Now no one goes 200 innings. Watch the old All Star game clips and notice how much freer and easier their delivery is.

Smoltz is exactly right. The 100 pitch limit is artificial. Not every pitch is equal. Every pitcher and every arm is different. It came about because of doctors limiting pitchers coming back from surgery. Pitchers can't go more than 100 pitches because they are not trained or taught to go more than 100 pitches or through the order more than a couple of times. Pitchers are babied, and they still break.

trevor bauer should be in the league he’s been so active and consistent proven on every YouTube video they are doing him so wrong right now it’s nasty work from the MLB

I remember reading Bob Feller saying that hea always saved "something extra" for late inning jams. I remember reading Koufax say that he didn’t become great until he learned to accept a groundball out as a good outcome. Loved this interview.

What analytics did to Baseball is they lost that great starting pitcher matchup to market to fans. That was a big selling point back in the day when i would see a national game with Gooden vs Mike Scott, Clemens vs Dave Stewart or Pedro vs Randy Johnson. The Braves were must watch as chances were you were getting Maddux, Smoltz or Glavine. You knew these guys were going 7,8, maybe 9 innings and it was a reason for casual fans to tune in. That’s gone from the game now as most Starting pitchers are gone by the 6th inning.

Jacob DeGrom was winning Cy Youngs throwing 94. He became injury prone once he started throwing 99.

Baseball has turned into the sport of the nerds. I watch with the sound off and don't watch any highlights anymore due to the over saturation of analytics being discussed

Im glad you are having this conversation. Spot on gents.

Excellent discussion. I used to be a big baseball fan. I don't watch sports anymore, and therefore I don't watch baseball either. But honestly, as bad as analytics are, the bigger issue is that not enough AMERICANS are playing the sport and because of this fact, ratings have gone down. MLB needs to figure out ways to divert talents from the other sports and have a few of them come to baseball instead.

Analytics has created a great opportunity for orthopedic surgeons to cash in. Throw as hard as you can as long as you can ruins arms. Throwing a fastball at 90-93 % and reaching back for that little something extra when you really need it worked well for a bunch of hall of famers from the 70s and 80s - lots of healthy arms with 15-20 year careers and 200 plus wins with lots of complete games. Seaver, Jenkins, Drysdale, Blyleven, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Palmer, Ryan, Gibson, Hunter, Guidry all pitchers that were successful with long careers and could pitch with control, ball movement and velocity and getting guys to hit ground ball outs and strikeouts by outsmarting hitters. That is pitching. Today’s throwers aren’t pitchers in the same way. Smoltz is absolutely on target. Don’t need to throw max velocity all the time.

I hate pitch counts.

Chris Bassit is a perfect example of less is more. He chased velocity a few years ago and got hurt. Now he has throws 92-93 with like 7 different pitches. Throws the slowest curve in the majors and moves the ball around the strike zone..addìng and subtracting speed

John Smoltz is one of the most knowledgeable people we have in baseball... he is spot on

Watch how many runs are scored in an inning where there is a walk, HBP, error, WP or PB. The emphasis on max velocity takes away from a pitcher's ability to locate their pitches or change speeds, which is pitching. MLB has a bunch of throwers. Watch how many times they are behind in the count, walk hitters or hit them.

The only thing analytics has done to baseball is bring about a bunch acronyms whose meanings I'm clueless to. The thing ruining baseball are the STUPID rule changes and the astronomical salaries. The game didn't need fixing! A clock in baseball? If time is so important let's get rid of extra innings and just say the team that scores 1st is the winner or if 0-0 at the end of nine the team with the most hits then least errors or fewest pitches. Baseball no longer exists, it's Banana Ball now! Don't get me started on the DH.

Tyler Glasnow said that throwing a baseball is like trying to throw a cue ball. The seams are so low hey are almost nonexistent. To the point where these guys are having to use a death grip to get the movement and velocity front offices seek. Simple solution raise the seams back to where they were in the 1980’s. then these pitchers won’t have to grip the ball that hard which won’t put the pressure on these UCLs.

A franchise has no motive for preserving a player's career because as soon as his contract runs out he's a free agent and is available to every other franchise.

Money has ruined the game. Ever notice when an umpire makes an errant call which alters the outcome or tosses a player the talking heads all yell “ no one pays to see an umpire”. True, however we do pay to watch a starting pitcher pitch. Millions of dollars and these lamers can’t pitch more than five innings . BTW they still hurt their arms at five innings. How about we get guys who can “ pitch” instead of throwing as hard as they can.