Marvel Champions' Top 10 Most Complicated Heroes

The hardest part of magik is holding in the tears when you set up the top of your deck perfectly and your friend plays maria hill.

My favorite hero (Rogue), my son's favorite hero (SP//DR), and my wife's current favorite (Magik) all made this list.

I like these short sharp 10-15 minute videos! Much more digestible. Thanks for the content 👍

Would love to see a video on what your Revamped Core Box would be. What 5 heroes would you use as good starting heroes, the build for each aspect you would have that's be interchangeable, which villains and modular sets you'd place in as well.

My favorite video of yours so far! Also this video sold me on Ms.Marvel, and she moved up on my wishlist! Would love a follow up on the different "forms" of complexity or top 10 easiest to learn for me to recommend to my friends who just started playing.

Great video, really love this kind of stuff both from an analysis perspective and from a potential buyer's perspective. Most of my favorite heroes I've gotten so far are on this list so I think I know which ones to get next. At least for me (don't have Domino or Magik yet), Colossus takes the top spot for my most complicated hero to play. I think there are a lot of other heroes that require you to make a lot of micro decisions that on a minute-to-minute gameplay basis feel more complicated, but the decisions you have to make with Colossus are require you to evaluate a lot of things going on and really sort of force you to prescribe value to different effects. What's better in this situation, a tough status card for the villain phase or removing it to eliminate a minion? Stacking tough status cards to enable an explosive turn later or cashing in on what I have for board control? Chump block with an ally to retain my tough or allow a tough status to be stripped to keep the ally alive? I always feel that I have multiple difficult decisions every turn when I'm playing Colossus, and at least for me it feels more brain burning than playing a character that in theory should be more complicated like Psylocke. Another aspect of complexity that I'm not sure if you were factoring in is the complexity in deckbuilding. I saw you had Adam Warlock in your honorable mentions but he's the character that I find myself playing the least by far because of his deckbuilding restriction. I think that might frankly be more because I find it very annoying to have to access all of my cards when building a deck, but how to build an effective deck for him is a very different beast than most other heroes and I'm quite bad at it. In general there are some characters that I think deckbuilding for is much more straightforward and streamlined than others, and doesn't always correlate one to one to the heroes complexity. For example, Angel is on the more complicated side mechanically, but I've found deckbuilding for him to be pretty straightforward.

I very much agree with your list, especially the first two places. I do think Magik is harder to play. Well, specifically I 100% agree with 9 of them, but I also see your point and I don't disagree with you. I just simply never thought of him that way. He being Colossus. As weird as it may sound, I never thought of him as very complicated, to me he seemed somewhat straightforward with a lot of interesting and unique tools. After listening to your opinion though, yeah, I absolutely see that. I'd put him a bit lower, but that's not here nor there. Everyone at our table really likes him and got used to him pretty much after the first play, but of course that's just us. As I said, I still agree with the points you made.

Definitely agree w the top 3, although not so much w the order of the rest. Interesting video, always good to hear your thoughts on this game. Hope you keep delighting us w this channel and your decks, thanks for the time and work on it.

Nice video! I think this is really useful, especially for people deciding on what heroes to get.

Great video topic! Rogue, Shadowcat, Psylocke...some of my favorites! I think Domino is up there too, I just need more games to solidify that. I've seen Rogue getting a bit of shade lately from other places, but I love that she has this utility built into her kit. If you need some additional attack/thw, you can touch an ally to get Aerial, if you need that one extra card to play something else, you can touch another player in Multi-player games... Lots of great decision points that just feel good.

I'm not surprised many of the mutants were placed here, as I felt that they were more Event-based vs Upgrade/Support based like the Avengers. In order to get the mutants rolling well, they needed support and resources that weren't always found in their kit. That took a bit of a readjustment for me, and there are many I still haven't played.

Really stellar video, as always! Just a minor note: the video seems edited in a strange way, it seems more like a segment from a longer video as there seems to be no introduction and the explanation of your judging criteria should be at the very beginning explaining what you consider as "difficult" hero so to guide from the start the viewer in your thought process... Also, I am kind of sad you cut off the part on honorable mentions, I really do like when you go deep with technical explanations and I don't mind your longer videos... That being said, just m2c, enjoyed the video a lot even if I disagree con psylock, I think she is a very forgiving hero and allows you to play around with the katanas way more freely than a shadow cat (or a spectrum) with their form changes

Great video, as always. I'm actually looking forward to playing psylocke she is one of my favorite xmen characters.

Great video as always and I generally agree. However I think Magik is the most complicated as her power comes from the complicated decisions you have to make each turn. If you make poor decisions she can seem quite weak in my opinion. That analysis paralysis you have mentioned when discussing domino is what I get from Magik and she is actually one of my least favourite heroes. Domino on the other hand is one of my favourites as she has a lot of decisions to make but you can make them quicker and easier knowing that you are still likely to get a strong outcome from her excellent upgrades like her pistols. This is the case even if the play you make isn’t the most optimal. Great to have so many varied characters in the game though with so many interesting choices to make.

I have long said that I think having a “complexity” rating for the champions similar to what Spirit Island has would be helpful. I think it would particularly be helpful for new players to help guide choices on characters.

I think this is a solid 10 for the most complicated, but I would change the order. Id put Psylocke into the #1 slot for sure. She's my favorite and most played champ, and i still have to sit there and puzzle out how to take my turns sometimes. Weirdly enough, i don't find Magik to be a very complicated character to play. I mostly am just on autopilot with her, but maybe that's just the way i build her? Seems like other people agree with you there so idk. Domino is more of a puzzle than Magik, but even then i think that once you figure her out, it's easy to know what you should do, so Id put her somewhere in the middle. Id bump up shadowcat and rogue into the top 5, probably right behind Psylocke for the second and third spot. Rogue has more choices to make turn to turn than any other hero, especially in multiplayer. And Shadowcat just simply for the difficult rules as you mentioned

nice list. I love complicated heroes so much and almost the only heroes I play outside new released heroes Though I sometimes add Wolverine un the cycle of heroes for quick games , since most of these heroes took longer to play 😁

I think #1 goes to Magic. Magic does less controlled movement typically, but "she cares" so much more about what specifically is moving AND when and has much lower access to wilds to cover what she checks for. Much harder to deck build for imo. With less versatile options but more strict checking in-game makes her "harder to play". Domino pretty much (dumb down description) just runs through deck-ditching with a preset power-scale of things to catch/swap. She just boils down to dump-catch choice-swap-play.

I would love a video explaining some of the defense timing nuance! I keep on feeling like I am missing out.

I really like characters that do shenanigans with the deck. Shout out to Scarlet Witch for being og in this regard. Domino is slightly more daring than Magik. Two of my all time favorites.