Why The Zone of Interest Does Not Let You See

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Published 2024-04-25
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A look at how The Zone of Interest uses off-screen space and sound design in one of the most hauntingly powerful ways I've ever seen in a film. Featuring an interview with Johnnie Burn, sound designer who just won an Oscar for his work on this film.

This video is spoiler free, so if you haven't seen the movie you, this video will be a good introduction to what's unique about it, and why it's a significant achievement from a filmmaking perspective. If you have seen it, I hope this video gives you some extra insight into the unique craft and attention that went into this film.

References:
-"Theory of Film Practice" p. 17 by Noël Burch
-"Thinking beyond the frame" by Sharon McDonagh
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All Comments (21)
  • @blueegg4198
    “Right now we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people. Whether the victims of October the 7th in Israel, or the ongoing attack on Gaza, all the victims, this dehumanization, how do we resist?” ~ Jonathan Glazer
  • @FreakieFan
    One of the most unsettling aspects from this film as an audience member that after an hour or so I started to (unintentionally) ignore or not hear the soundscape anymore because it was so persistent and droning, so I started to filter it out of my perception as a viewer. Near the end I started to notice it again, and I realized exactly why it is possible for the camp commander and his wife to keep on living their lives as they do, because for them it's the same. They don't hear it anymore and are desensitized to the sound, just like I was as a viewer after only an hour or so. That confrontational realization was quite shocking.
  • @mael1515
    I am German and in my 40s. The weirdest thing happend while watching the zone of interest: vivid memories of my east German grandmothers house appeared. I could actually smell her house, I remembered the sound of her wooden staircase, the furniture and other details. This is how real this movie sounds. Thanx for this extraordinary essay!
  • @francisfrain6385
    I watched this movie in cinemas and it's probably one of the most disturbing non graphic movies out there. The fact that it made me feel so uncomfortable without showing a single moment of violence is incredible.Truly a masterpiece.
  • @Spearca
    That shot of the unseen train's arrival is amazing.
  • @cinerina
    I was so glad they won the Oscar for sound and still I am blown away by this work.
  • Honestly, seeing how Rudolf’s children grew up is terrifying. Most, if not all, of the siblings still boast about their time there. One of his daughters even did an interview before she died saying that her father was the best dad in the world and that she denies that the Holocaust even happened. It just shows how much this kind of life affects everyone. The victims, the parents, the kids, the neighbors. Everyone. Nobody is safe from war.
  • @FlyLikeDove
    I noticed even the dog had his own Zone of Interest... he just happily walked around and didn't bark at anything - not at screams, gunshots, random yelling, baby crying - he did whatever he wanted all day (with little to no consequences). But when the dogs were barking at prisoners over the wall, he went crazy.
  • @TomFinsterMusic
    at 4:00 minutes the scene is already disturbing before the gun shot. The coat she tries on is the clothes of a prisoner - hinting at the wealthy life that some of them had before. That's why she also finds a ring in it and just puts it aside like it's not a bit deal. She knows its all "leftovers".
  • @qrefrain3695
    This movie was one of the most terrifying movies I saw last year, not because of how horrible Nazi Germany was but because I saw myself and so many “good, regular” people in the Höss family. We all swore the Holocaust would never happen again but I could easily see a future where the whole world lives just like the Höss again. As you mentioned in the video, by having the audience experience the filtering out of the droning background noise, it makes us realize how easy it is start ignoring the suffering. It’s so much more effective than showing or telling us shocking images.
  • @mayankjha1145
    What an amazing year for Sandra Hüller, starrer in two of the best films of this year.
  • @pageturner242
    the way they “harvested” sounds is kind of terrifying but so effective
  • @theapocalyvid
    One aspect of the film which really resounded to me was how it ends up showing the banality of the Höss family's life. It is horrific in its depiction of regimented banality and fascist domesticity. There is fundamentally nothing of important happening within this family's life. The mother Hedwig cares for the household along with her help, the children are as playful and disciplined as their age, and the father Rudolf maintains respect in the home that he seeks in his workplace. However, with the terrifying reality of mass violence next door, I myself started to read more deeply into the actions and mindsets of these otherwise typical people as part of their oppressive national identity. Hedwig, exacerbated by her husband's transfer away, threatens her maid with being turned into ashes by her husband and spread among the countryside. Their teenage son Claus, dressed in a stormtrooper cosplay, cruelly locks his younger brother in their greenhouse as smoke rises above his head. While his kin live their lives downstairs, Rudolf uses the home office to discuss incineration chamber designs of the complex he oversees. With the historic suffering occurring literally within earshot of this family, the actions of the Hösses are simultaneously important and unimportant. The terror in the camps dwarfs any actions Rudolf takes in his domestic life, yet his professional despotism doesn't disappear when the dinner bell chimes. The atrocities he commits are unconscionable, yet in the Nazi state, the unconscionable can find a home.
  • @diethermanicat
    Most student filmmakers should watch this since they prioritize cinematography more than the sound.
  • @Karen_esque
    I'm so glad you covered this film! I remember I kept thinking, "Why don't they ever react to the smell?" because the film, as you said, caused me to think about the historical elements. And then Hedwig's mother arrives and acts as the outside observer, reacting to everything the Hoss family tunes out. Also, seeing the smoke from the train punched me in the gut.
  • @kraeutrpolizei
    As a German speaker i just realised that Film 2 is a slightly different experience than the film with subtitles. A lot of the camp talk wasn’t intelligible for me (might be my bad hearing though). So the message was a lot more visceral than what you get through subtitles. Like , people getting drowned only happens through the consequence of them fining bones in the river. With the subs it’s a lot clearer who is responsible. You mentioned that as a viewer the background noise gets drowned out, I had the same experience. This would not be possible if every shot had a subtitle, like BANG. I feel like in this films the subs change the viewing experience a lot more than with other films. Of course i have to watch the film with subs again, maybe it’s not as dramatic as I imagine
  • “Where in our lives are we like the hoss family?” Well said I think what made this movie so terrifying was how normal this family seemed. They were so consumed with their own lives and making their dreams come true by having this perfect house and all these beautiful things. Everything outside of them was background noise.
  • @plukmens
    This film was an absolutely excruciating watch—and I mean that in the best way possible. More than once, I was almost feeling bored with the mundane life of the Höss family, only for the sounds to jerk me back into the terrifying reality of what was actually happening. Such an effective way to portray the "banality of evil"; an absolute masterpiece. I feel like Glazer's speech at the Oscars and the subsequent reactions to it only make the point of the film so much more poignant. We'll just ignore the very real atrocities around us if we don't want to care.
  • @MrSegrist
    Thomas, as always, you have crafted a remarkable analysis of the film that has deepened my appreciation for the creators' craft and the deeper significance of why they did things the way they did. When I saw this film at the Mary-Riepma Ross Theater, the moment that startled me the most was near the end when Rudolf is attending the high society dinner gallery and we see all these people enjoying their wealth, luxury, and privilege. As the camera moved about the palatial estate, this raging, impulsive thought bubbled up: "Look at all these sick and hideous people who are profiting from this terrible tragedy. They should suffer and die like the people they don't care about." When Rudolf calls home and admits that he himself has been contemplating the logistics of how he would gas them all, if only the ceilings weren't so high, I was struck by the parallelism of my violent impulses with such a despicable character on screen. It gave me pause as I considered how easy and terrifyingly quick it is for a person to dehumanize others and wish them harm. As I left the theater, I was contemplating the way this film indicted me in how humans' thinking contributes to a banal and violent complicity. It is terrifying to consider how close and similar one may be to a villain/bad person, which is perhaps why it is incumbent upon us to recognize that evil and--once identified--renew our own struggle against such impulses and to move towards more just ways of existence. This film is a masterpiece, and it ought to be seen by more people.
  • @risk5riskmks93
    The woman trying on the coat was the most disturbing to me because it focused in on the experience of the one woman who was the original owner of the coat, and her happy, comfortable life. I always thought she must have worn the coat to the camps both for warmth and to preserve it. Then it was taken from her. When did she last use that lipstick? What happy place was she going? I imagined her still alive, but on the other side of the wall, her life totally changed while someone else was enjoying her tings. Horrifying. It made it personal.