King vs Katakuri is not close

Let's be honest, if they actually fought in canon, Katakuri would get a power up out of his donut so Oda could make them stall each other for 10 panels straight, distributed among 23 chapters

Well, the problem with this matchup is that Oda doesn't exactly look at powerscalling the same way most of us do, the proof of that fact is Crocodille's and Buggy's inconsistent strenght at Impel Down and Marine Ford. One Piece follows a narrative powerscalling concept instead of the usual ones, and seeing as he wrote Big Mom and Kaido as being rivals for decades, alongside being somewhat relative in their crew stenght when we look at the larger picture, i think King and Katakuri would be closer in strenght if we ever do have a fight in between them, most people would call it a "buff", but it would only be that in feats instead of a narrative

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Since u mentioned "power cliffing". Could a video idea be "when each straw hat could beat Arlong"

I mean, it's just a clear case of powercliffing. However, I would like to posit that IF Katakuri returns and he is massively buffed like he has advanced Armament or ever Conquerors and a giga durability buff, don't be surprised. Out of all the enemies Luffy faced, Katakuri probably has one of the highest potential to get stronger, mostly because Luffy helped him realize his true self. If we remember Rayleigh's words, "Have no doubts, that's what makes you strong," then Luffy gave Katakuri the chance to grow into a truly monstrous figure with a mindset not hellbent on a false image of himself, but through self actualization. And before some clowns say "He got no diffed by Kuzan," it's a literal former Admiral. King would also get folded by that man.

It's always the ones that use "It's not close" in their title are the one of the worst at scaling. Here's how many things you got wrong 1- Powercliffing is irrelevant if you're not comparing Katakuri with Kaido, because Kaido the one that powercliffed the verse not everyone, and you saying that everyone before got powercliffed when we see the same Crocodile that was beat by no haki Luffy matching Mihawk and stopping Akainu is just you yapping and repeating what others say without thinking for yourself 2- Katakuri has the perfect win condition, King needs to go in his speed mode to even hit Katakuri and that would make King lose his durability and get hurt, Katakuri was hurting a mythical zoan rubber boy, he would easily damage a regular zoan when his flames are off 3- "King should be fast enough to tag Katakuri" That's not happening when King couldn't land a single hit on basic observation user like Zoro, he's not landing a single hit on Katakuri who's faster and has advanced observation 4- " Katakuri takes massive damage from gear 4" Are you talking about getting hit over and over again and not falling once is a massive damage? Luffy couldn't put him down once.... 5- "Luffy deals the vast majority of the damage" No he didn't, Katakuri did that to himself, Luffy doesn't have any attack that can do as much damage as the spear attack that Katakuri did to himself while Katakuri has 6- "Luffy only landed 14 hits" Black mamba alone is more than 14 hits lol, you don't even know how to count? I'm not even gonna bother arguing this point because of how stupid it sounded when you said 14 7- " Kaido one shot Luffy" Yeah he one shot enraged Luffy that couldn't use observation haki same thing happened to Oden he got one shot because he was enraged as well but you're ignoring the context here 8- " Katakuri could only manage to put down Luffy for 7m" Again you're being disingenuous and ignoring panels and context for agenda reasons? Chapter 880 Katakuri put Luffy down and was having a long conversation while Luffy was down, then he did similar to what Kaido did with his awakening and put Luffy down but instead of finishing him off he walks away because of plot, right here Luffy should lose but saved by the plot, then Katakuri outlasts g4 Luffy and Luffy runs away, Luffy should lose here AGAIN but ofc you ignoring these details. Then Luffy comes back and Katakuri magically forgets that he has awakening that he could use to put down base Luffy because base Luffy can't keep up with awakening without his g4 and then he stops using his spear. But ofc you ignore all of this context for some known reason and use this plot plot no mi fight to downplay Katakuri which is disingenuous 9- " Luffy vs Kaido round 1 take away" Yes Katakuri indeed got powercliffed like the rest of the series got powecliffed by Kaido, like is this new? We always knew that the Yonkos are on the top of the verse for a reason. but Katakuri wouldn't lose in one hit because he wouldn't be enraged like Luffy and not use observation haki and he would deal damage to Kaido since his armament was always better and had higher AP than Luffy 10- "Considering how close Katakuri vs Luffy and how one sided Kaido vs Luffy was" Yes if you read with your eyes closed and ignore context you would say such thing, everyone reading with their eyes open knows that Katakuri should've won in the first 30 minutes if not for plot and Luffy was enraged vs Kaido and couldn't use observation haki to dodge or block 11- "Pre Acoc Zoro is stronger than Wci snake man" That's just not true, Zoro still couldn't control Enma and he doesn't have the speed or the advanced observation to keep up with Luffy, also Katakuri was still stronger than Wci Luffy by a lot, if you read the context with your eyes open which i already explained 12- " Post Wci Luffy that fought Katakuri couldn't scratch Kaido" Yeah that has nothing to do with Katakuri since his armament is was always stronger tha LUffy's, if he was in Luffy's place he would damage Kaido 13- " Zoro tanked of Kaido attacks and could react to Big Mom" Zoro deflecting the wind slash isn't a "tank" are you serious? And reacting to Big Mom is something the base Wci Luffy did when Big Mom was about to attack the one of his allies 13- " Zoro needed advanced conquerors to beat King" That's just a lie he unlocked it because of Enma giving him trouble during the fight not King, King is beatable without conquerors haki as he become regular zoan when he goes speed mode unlike Kaido who's always durable 14- "King's body is so tough that the same attack that Zoro used to cut Kaido couldn't leave a scratch on King" Well that's just wrong you can go again and see that there was an aura coming out of Enma when Zoro attacked Kaido bit there wasn't an aura when Zoro attacked King with the same move 15- "While King's fire is off he's so fast and can perception Blitz Zoro" Well here's the thing that you keep lying... Zoro literally reacted to all of his attacks with basic observation haki not even advanced observation needed for his speed 16- "Even tho Zoro's attacks could barely put a dent on king" Lol he literally got one shot after these 2 attacks that were shallow, Katakuri lost half of his stomach and kept it fighting for hours while bleeding 17- " Zoro seems to struggle with King" No he didn't he was struggling with Enma and you're being disingenuous AGAIN 18- "Katakuri can't stand next to the Wg because Luffy got 1 shot" Again ignoring that Luffy was enrgaed and he was still much weaker than Katakuri, also ignores that Kidd and Killer both got 1 shot from one of Shank's attacks lol, 19- "The fact that a stronger and faster Luffy could get tagged by base Kaido" a stronger Luffy yes but faster isn't a fact it's your headcanon and Katakuri scales to snake man speed not base Luffy, also Kaido said good job not letting the same attack hit you twice which means he didn't get fully hit, but again you ignoring text on screen which is impressive 20- "Law Kidd Killer and Zoro doing damage to Kaido makes them better than Wci Luffy" Kidd literally didn't do anything to Kaido and the rest of them would get one shot by base drunk angry Kaido which is his strongest state when Luffy fought him. This is such a weak argument as well because even the scabbards did damage to Kaido and Luffy didn't but that doesn't make them stronger than Luffy in a fight, being better in one stats doesn't win you the whole fight lol 21- "Base Kaido was able to tag Luffy" You're scaling base Luffy to snake man Luffy which is 10x faster that was still getting bullied by Katakuri in terms of speed? And the fact that Kaido says that base Luffy didn't let the same attack hit him, and you're even scaling King's speed to Kaido's speed? You're just lost 22- "Even if Luffy used Snake man instead of Bounce man the result would've been the same" Oh so you're still ignorant on the fact that Luffy was enraged and couldn't user advanced observation? You're calling yourself a scaler btw. 23- "Zoro could clash with hybrid Kaido" Yes that Zoro had advanced conqeurros = Asura and you're sacling him after than the pre Acoc Zoro vs King? Are you ok? 24- "King could still perception Blitz Zoro with his flames off, which is something hybrid Kaido didn't do" Show me one panel of King perception Blitzing Zoro!! All of his attack were blocked on time, you don't even know what a blitz is. Kaido was about to blitz Zoro but Law saved him and that's the only time that Kaido tried to blitz Zoro why are you saying he couldn't do? But i can tell you have a short memory 25- "But how would Katakuri win the longer the fight get the weaker Katakuri haki will become" Katakuri is the one that showed better stamina feats fighting for 12 hours not King the got 3 shot in 15 minutes and you're trying to argue stamina against Katakuri? hilarious. Also after 12 hours Katakuri didn't show any sign of weakness in terms of observation 26- "Few hits all King needs because it took weaker Luffy 14 hits" I already answered this one above and how are you scaling King AP anyways when we don't know if he could hurt Kaido and the fact that Katakuri has much stronger armament? I have no more words on this.....

Katakuri fans have been in disbelief since wano 😂. I love kat but powercliffing is a thing. W video ❤.

I think a big thing overlooked in this analysis is that Luffy was pissed off the first time he fought Kaido, Luffy's anger literally blinded him since you need a calm mind to use Future Sight. You said if Katakuri fought Kaido, it would be the same result as Luffy but Katakuri in character has FS active, Luffy had every indication that he didn't. The number 1 difference between Luffy when he first fought Kaido versus the rematch on Onigashima was Luffy's understanding and utilization of Haki. Take note of how calm Luffy is on the Rooftop, how he immediately uses Future sight to dodge attacks, or how he utilizes Snakeman, a future sight-focused form. We see in the Katakuri fight how significantly FS affects reaction and combat speed, Luffy didn't have the mindset to utilize FS. So was Luffy powercliffed or was he incapable of utilizing his haki to the fullest due to uncharacteristically losing himself to haki? I think the speed disparity between beginning of Wano Luffy and Rooftop Luffy is largely carried by the focus on Futuresight, the same way Luffy's AP is carried by his Advanced Armament and Conqueror's. Early Wano Luffy + Futuresight + G4 Snakeman is probably faster than Zoro. Yes, Zoro can combat Kaido's speed but the speed gap between Yonko and YC isn't nearly as wide as the AP and DC gap. Luffy's speed in G4 has been consistently capable of tagging Yonko and YC tier characters. Both Sanji and G4 Luffy could react to Big Mom in WCI who is relative to Kaido. King required his Flames Off form to damage Zoro meaning that with Flames on he's too slow. King would have to use Flames off to combat Katakuri's speed + Future Sight, with his flames off he's vulnerable to counter attacks and Future Sight is perfect for Counters. I think this is a matter of Haki surpassing all. Katakuri's haki mastery is way above King's and that makes a huge difference.

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Speaking of power cliffing, I think I found the major power cliffs in one piece. Here they are Arlong Eastblue Crocodile Alabasta Rob Lucci Enies lobby Pascifistas Sabaody Whitebeard and a lot of the combatants during the paramount war Marineford Luffy Return to Sabaody Doflamingo Dressrosa Katakuri Wholecake island Kaido Wano

Bro literally how I just asked my brother about this not even an hour ago and you've been cooking up a vid about it???? Regardless, great vid!! Well explained and thought provoking in a way other power scalers don't often capture

I'm glad someone else said it too, not only is King stronger but here's even arguments for Queen too and the greatest part about it, Zoro got stronger after recovering from the rooftop which makes King's feats much more impressive and let's be real, if Oven could damage Katakuri I have no idea how he'd fight King, Queen, or even Jack and come out on top..

Thank you for calling this out. So many people try their hardest to wank him above King, Yamato, Zoro, and Sanji. And I’m just like the scaling doesn’t add up in Katakuri’s favor. They act like bc he has an ability that not many people shown it automatically means he stomps as if Enel vs Luffy and Luffy vs Boa sisters didn’t exist where Luffy was faster than someone observation Haki that he didn’t have at the time.

Was not expecting an in universe debate. Pleasantly surprised

Your way of reasoning is very good because you don't even need complicated powerscaling calculations. The evidence is right there in the manga, and any smart person would understand with your explanation.

So I believe katakuri vs king is a lot more closer then people think. Personally I think katakuri beats king. First of all I believe katakuri got powercliffed it's not that much but people take it and run for the hills. Just because kaido one shot luffy at the beginning of wano doesn't mean he can't do it to king as well so why make this argument that kat got powercliffed. You say everyone on the rooftop is shown better feats against luffy act 1 really my dude it was a team fight if it was a 1v1 killer,law,kid would have gotten one shotted. Where I think kat got powercliffed was when characters who use acoc and ryou ish. Anyone that doesn't kat is still up there. Is snakeman luffy faster then king? I believe it's close and maybe snakeman might be faster. There's evidence that point to snakeman being faster (spoilers for anime only) snakeman is keeping up with kizaru who is made of light and clearly faster then king. Kizaru had to accelerate faster to knock out snakeman. 2. Kaido had to use future sight on snakeman by default gives katakuri fs. Ik that people are going to point to luffy gotten stronger with his fight with kaido not once does it state that acoc can boots your speed attack power yes but not speed. Not only that certain instances I belive luffy just did a reaction of a move not really him being faster against certain kaido moves. I believe kat can catch up with king in terms of speed. Kat is a lot smarter then zoro so he can figure out king weakness lot more faster then zoro can. I believe his mole spear can pierce king flame off skin. Plus kat has special armanment that is stronger then base armanment. I think wholeheartly that his special armanment can hurt king. Kat has the endurance 11hrs of fighting small breaks in between. Awakening can stop king movement suffociating him or slow him down that kat can pierce him with his mole spear or galatic donut. What does king have that can really damage kat like plz tell oh his fire attacks cool not like kat can dodge or counter in some way. All kat has to is figure out king weakness and keep up with the speed. Katakuri has so much in his arsenal that I believe he can beat king.

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There is no power cliffing Katakuri Neg diffs King Strength: Katakuri Speed: katakuri Stamina: katakuri Defence: katakuri Durability: king Endurance : katakuri Armanent haki: Katakuri Observation haki: Katakuri Conquers Haki: katakuri Versatility: katakuri Df: Katakuri Range: katakuri Hax: Katakuri IQ: katakuri Battle IQ: katakuri Weapon: katakuri's Spear (unknown graded Meito) These are the stats Katakuri neg diffs Some stuff you are downplaying WCI luffy is relative to roof piece Luffy Pre Adv. Conquers WCI luffy made Bigmom Block with armament Haki She made a conscious descion to use armament And Katakuri is has Stronger Attack potency and Strength than Luffy overpiwering him Katakuri Neg diffed Ichiji Raid suit sanji tanked attacks from king no damage Katakuri hits much harder than king Everything we see from Katakuri is from a nerfed katakuri His Attack potency and Fighting style is not used or Even Thrown away Katakuri is a Spearmaster who Started using an unfamilar fightibg style and mastered it mid fight and even imoroved it He did not use His fighting style and tactics And they matter We can see Only a few attacks from his spear and His ap and Dc skyrocket We can See the Danger when luffy got Shit with the numbibg needle He Got a Piece of his side torn off And Was In danger of death Katakuri started respecting luffy and out away hus spear And katakyri has a Unique armament haki that can Overpower g4 luffy's haki Again this was used only 5 times becuase katakuri started liking luffy So katakuri is restricting himself To what is only needed aka future sight and df and Basic armament Katakuri actually stops creating traps and Contructs Becuase he respected luffy and wanted to face Him head on When before we see katakuri spawn floating fist from range right next to luffy to smack him We see katakuri use the terrain to surroynd and overwhelm luffy Katakuri has Domain over land and sky But once he liked luffy he stopped using these tactics Katakuri Is down played for his defence durability and other things But i ask you to read it again Similar if not stonger attacks that made bigmom Block with armament katakuri is not blocking with armament but tanking with his body Katakuri literally allows luffy to attack To see what it can do And we know he can block or dodge becuase its his forté But he did neither with king cobra a final attack from luffy going mach Fuck you Katakuri tanked it with no haki He did not get sent flying from the Supercharged Named attack He did not get cut or brused He got a bug scuff mark Thats it How many characters Can tank that hit and onky have a scuff mark Keeo in mind they have been fightibg for 11 gours straight Using awakening for 8 hours 4 hours with a Hole in their stomach (a lethal attack) fighting in a constant highspeed battle for hours How many could do these feats? We see king bleed from an attack from marco We See king Get a lethal blow from Zoro We see King not be able to damage raid suit sanji King is overrated He is strong But he lacks in nearly everything compared to Katakuri The win condition? There is multple win condition 1 is time and stamina King fought at most 20 minutes total And he was done from lethal attack Katakuri would notice and outspeed Kings Flight mode And take advantage Of gus weakened defences Remeber marco made flame on king bleed So katakuri with his Superior speed(combat attack and movement speed) his Spear and Unique armament haki Is easily Hitting and Putting down King If not in one then with time This win condition is not using his fruit either Katakuri with control over the battle field land and air Makes king Almost helpless "Oh but kings flmire would melt the mochi if he tried to use it" Katakuri has multiole forms of mochi He has Hard soft sticky and you guessed it fire mochi King is not Easily burning way anything He would get trapped before he would melt anything Katakuri is to Much for king its not fair And realize this Zoro tagged and followed King with trash observation haki he Followed his movements and attacked Katakuri cannot do at least that with adv. Observation??? The downolay of katakuri is crazy He also showcased a feature of Adv. Conquers Physically crushing your surrounding Somethibg only shanks and Other yonko do Something luffy did rifht before he started usibg Adv. Conquers properly Aka putting it on his attacks If Katakuri comes back with adv. Conquers it will not be a surprise to me he did what other Adv. Conquers do Its not a Issue with scalibg either Becuase from luffy's messed up face in WCI as they fought Katakuri never NEEDED adv. Conquers for luffy The same way he Never NEEDED his Spear The same way He never NEEDED his Unique armament Katakuri is a restricted character Unlike king who gave it 120% and got put down I think adv. Conquers haki is not a crazy Attack buff But a unique enhancer Maybe it directly buffs attack potency but if it dies i think its small like a 10% attack buff at max Conquers haki is utilizing will itself Basic conquers Overwhelms the Mind Adv. Conquers overwhelms the physical Meaning it actually interacts with the real world And putting on your weapon or fists Stacks that aspect It was confirmed Kaido was using Adv. Conquers haki along with basic armament haki But what kaido says after is interesting "Its like he is galring at me hus mind is not broken" Luffy was Knocked out not from the mind But from his body being overwhelmed And the only effective way to Fight against it is to have it yourself Thats why i think its not an attack buff I think it Adds a unique kind of attack and Defence That can only be fought against by another with it The result is the no touching sphere of will When 2 users are on the same realm of Power the result is no touching and the sky splits the sea's shake I say this becuase yamato achieved one of these the bo touching Sphere of haki But she was not exactly on the same lvl as kaido so there was no struggle of physical will being Clashed so no Sky split no sea shake no island destroying And What is Interesting is katakuri achieved this momentarily on a smaller scale with luffy Sphere of haki Physical world being crushed and affected However Katakuri easily overpowered luffy's Conquers haki Anyway sooner than later katakuri will be back and be allowed to use his full kit And Destroy almost anyone

this is all 100% true if we are speaking of shown forms. however katekuri is probably growing as well, like Oda did with Rob Lucci . if they fight in the future katekuri will be stronger than what we seen at whole cake.