Sean Carroll, Daniel Dennett, & Steven Pinker: AI, Parapsychology, Panpsychism, & Physics Violations

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Published 2024-03-24
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Sean Carroll is Homewood Professor of Natural Philosophy at Johns Hopkins University and fractal faculty at the Santa Fe Institute. He is also host of Sean Carroll’s Mindscape, a terrific show (that influenced the birth of Robinson’s Podcast) about science, society, philosophy, culture, arts, and ideas. Daniel Dennett is Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at Tufts University, where he was co-director of the Center for Cognitive Studies and the Austin B. Fletcher Professor of Philosophy. He is one of the most recognized philosophers today, and has made major contributions to the philosophy of mind and biology, among other areas, and is known as one of the Four Horsemen of Atheism. Steven Pinker is Johnstone Family Professor of Psychology at Harvard University. He is an experimental cognitive psychologist, prominent public intellectual, and best-selling author who writes on language, mind, and human nature. This is Sean’s third appearance on the show. He was one of the guests—along with David Albert of Columbia University—on episode 106, which covers the Many-Worlds theory of quantum mechanics, entropy and Boltzmann Brains, and the fine-tuned universe. He was also on episode 118 with Slavoj Žižek on quantum physics, the multiverse, time travel, and a whole lot more. This is Dan’s second appearance on the show, as on episode 194 he and Robinson spoke about consciousness, free will, and the evolution of minds. Finally, Steve is returning for another centennial episode, as he and Robinson discussed rationality, enlightenment, and free speech on episode 100. But in this episode of Robinson’s Podcast (the two hundredth!), Sean, Dan, Steve, and Robinson discuss artificial intelligence, large language models, and whether or not they threaten democracy or even civilization itself, parapsychology and the laws of physics, panpsychism and consciousness, some of the philosophical lessons of Darwinian thought, and the relationship between science and philosophy. Dan’s latest book is I’ve Been Thinking (W. W. Norton, 2023), Steve’s latest book is Rationality: What It Is, Why It Seems Scarce, Why It Matters (Penguin, 2022), and Sean’s next book, Quanta and Fields: The Biggest Ideas in the Universe (Penguin, 2024), will be coming out on May 14, 2024. 

Sean’s Website: www.preposterousuniverse.com/

Sean’s Twitter: twitter.com/seanmcarroll

Quanta and Fields (The Biggest Ideas in the Universe): ⁠a.co/d/gfMDLQo⁠

Sean’s Paper on QFT and Supervenience: ⁠arxiv.org/pdf/2101.07884.pdf⁠

I’ve Been Thinking: ⁠a.co/d/ahMEC0G⁠

Steven’s Website: stevenpinker.com/

Steven’s Twitter: ⁠twitter.com/sapinker⁠

Rationality: a.co/d/9N2uFyr

Robinson’s Podcast #100 - Steven Pinker: Rationality, Enlightenment, and Free Speech:    • Steven Pinker: Rationality, Enlighten...  

Robinson’s Podcast #106 - David Albert & Sean Carroll: Quantum Theory, Boltzmann Brains, & The Fine-Tuned Universe: ⁠   • David Albert & Sean Carroll: Quantum ...  

Robinson’s Podcast #118 - Slavoj Žižek & Sean Carroll: Quantum Physics, the Multiverse, and Time Travel:    • Slavoj Žižek & Sean Carroll: Quantum ...  

Robinson’s Podcast #194 - Daniel Dennett: Consciousness, Free Will, and the Evolution of Minds: ⁠   • Daniel Dennett: Consciousness, Free W...  

OUTLINE
00:00 Introduction
6:11 Will Large Language Models End Civilization?
22:53 Could AI Destroy the Job Market? 
28:14 On Parapsychology and the Violation of Physics
40:23 The Parable of the Bathtub
01:03:45 Physical Causation and the Law of Sufficient Reason
01:14:48 Is Consciousness an Illusion?
01:31:50 Does Physics Show that the Universe is Conscious?
01:44:36 What is Philosophy?

Robinson’s Website: ⁠robinsonerhardt.com/

Robinson Erhardt researches symbolic logic and the foundations of mathematics at Stanford University. Join him in conversations with philosophers, scientists, weightlifters, artists, and everyone in-between.

All Comments (21)
  • @Spacegraham
    Is this a deck of cards? Cause I see four kings
  • @Laches15
    RIP Dan Dennett - was surprised to hear of his passing after having watched this interview not too long ago :(
  • @steveseamans9048
    Three of my favorite thinkers of all time. You’ve had so many great guests but you’ve really outdone yourself this time. Please keep these wonderful conversations going. Also, you’ve improved as a host, asking the right questions and comments. Bravo 👏
  • @timelston4260
    Nothing better than getting great minds who disagree into the same room to hear each other's points and discuss, rather than having to listen to one interview at a time and wonder what each would say to the other if they were present. Tremendously useful discussion. Thank you all!
  • What a delightful discussion to listen to and especially one last opportunity to hear from the wonderful Dan Dennett. Thank you so much.
  • I always appreciate a Sean Carroll episode! This is another great one!
  • @shassett79
    Wow, the algorithm struck gold on this one. Don't know how this is the first time I've seen this channel, but you got a sub.
  • @fgcbrooklyn
    From a retired academic (me): academic research is largely based on competitive grants. It's inevitable that people competing for grants will turn ot AI machinery to crank out applications. Up till now we had to sweat to put together proposals that fit the different requirements of each grant. With AI anyone will be able to apply to every single grant available, in different foreign languages to boot. Has academia discussed this prospect? Or are you all still stuck on figuring out how to prevent students from cheating on their papers?
  • @nathane5287
    I did not know I needed to see these 3 gents in a conversation, but man I did, awesome discussion!
  • Congratulations Robinson, 200 episodes very cool, you consistently have great people to engage with and that benefits all of us, fantastic panel for number 200, thank you Daniel, Sean, Steven, and Robinson for sharing your time and work, 20 years ago you'd have to spend a week deep in a library to begin to gather the information presented here and its greatly appreciated, peace
  • what a great line up, happy geeseling right here. as regards your 200th show - congrats dude, you really are doing a great job and we appreciate it enormously.
  • @fourdotsYT
    Less than a month later, RIP Dan Dennett (19 April, 2024). How sharp his mind still was, and how healthy he seemed, so near the end. I hope he didn't suffer in the weeks following this panel. It was probably one of the last public appearances he did. What a great illusory consciousness, evaporating into.. this.. space. And then there were two.
  • @JoshuaStadler1
    Great episode, Robinson! Please keep up the good work!!!
  • @NalitaQubit
    Such a delight listening to this episode. Time well spent. Thank you.
  • @ili626
    So glad this channel popped back into my feed. It’s been a while
  • For some reason this was playing on my cell phone at times two speed when I woke up. My brain had been translated this into a dream where I was at a preppy frat party that doubled as an in processing station for drawing military gear for a deployment. I was going from station to station and had to wait in various lines to either play beer games or draw more T-50 (military gear). While in each line I was discussing all these super deep philosophical issues with people. When I woke up I immediately realized that I am not as smart as my dream made me think I am, but it did clarify how my interpretation of the world is really messed up.