Psychographic Profiles in Warhammer - Warhammer Weekly 03012023

Oh damn, is this finally the "astrology for _____" that gets me? "If your win condition is shenanigans" is the most me statement I've ever heard.

I'm a simple man, I see a Warhammer Weekly video uploaded, I click Like before even watching it.

Sons of Behemet 1:35:50 Nighthaunt 1:37:20 Daughters of Khaine 1:39:25 Disciples of Tzeentch 1:42:36 Gloomspite Gitz 1:44:58 Fyreslayers 1:48:57 Slaves to Darkness 1:52:24 Idoneth Deepkin 1:56:31 Soulblight Gravelords 2:01:08 Slyvaneth 2:06:21 Maggotkin of Nurgle 2:10:14 Lumineth Realmlords 2:13:42 Orruk Warclans 2:16:53 Stormcast Eternals 2:21:01 Beasts of Chaos 2:23:12 Cities of Sigmar 2:26:35 Blades of Khorne 2:28:23 Flesh Eater Courts 2:29:54 Kharadron Overlords 2:31:12 Ogor Mawtribes 2:34:10 Seraphon 2:35:50 Ossiarch Bonereapers 2:37:08 Skaven 2:39:54 Hedonites of Slaanesh 2:42:22

I feel seen and appreciated by your DoK Timmy example Tom. I also agree with Vince's deeper look that it is Kraith that is the big toe dipped in Timmy only lol. 4+ to have fun!

Great show; I like that you come back and cover this topic every 18-24 months, because the books and the overall meta certainly change over time. Just a couple of thoughts. First, a couple of key words to sum up what each type of player is looking for in an army. Johnny: synergy, innovation. Spike: efficiency, reliability. Timmy: impact, adventure. Thoughts? Second, a suggestion for your screen layout, Vince. You used half the screen for your talking heads, but your heads don't fill the boxes. You could crop the shots a bit tighter around your faces, leaving out much of the background. This would let you have the faces just as big as they are now, but the space currently wasted on the static room backgrounds could be used to make the graphic bigger and more legible.

"Spike is the least likely to conceptualize the other two" nailed me spot on. I don't know how often when playing MTG I've nodded and smiled politely while listening to someone explain some unique deck they build themselves while internally just wondering why they would choose to build a deck that's bad . However, I identify more with Tom's phrasing of "playing optimal" rather than being motivated by winning. Personally, I find it hard to care very much about the actual outcome of the game. My payoff comes almost entirely from determining and performing whatever game action gives me the best chance of winning. If I can set up a situation where I win the game on a 2+, I have already "won". Even if I go on to roll a 1 and lose the actual game.

I agree with every analysis you made with one exception, Seraphon. My argument is as follows; Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are, perhaps the Timmy-est thing that exists in gaming. Ask any eight-year-old which of their toys they like to play with the most and six times out of ten times they're going to say the dinosaur. In fact, dinosaurs are so Timmy that Games Workshop used them to innovate what you called one of the Timmy-est things in AoS, that being sub-faction rules that allow you to make an army of nothing but monsters. Not saying that Johnny and Spike are over-represented, just that Timmy is under-represented.

Liked because I could hear Vince. Great video as always.

Great example! Vince's argument for S2D as dead middle was very compelling. I also appreciated his defense of Spikes, as one of the rare Spikes with not much of anything else in my psychographic profile. P.S.: Congrats Tom!

Probably a weird opinion, but really hoping Seraphon goes hard Timmy-Spike in the new book. It should be about pointing buffs at your models and making them do cool things, similar to how OBR is probably supposed to work. Too much complexity is antithetical to dinosaurs.

Started a Slaanesh army with an escalation league, mostly as a painting project because I love the models. Playing knowing I'll likely lose, but look good doing it.

Soulblight can be timmy. I have the models to run 75+ wolves . turning enemy models into wolves via beladama . punching people in the face with chadukar while he also buffs your good boys. Dropping in some vargheists to dustup shooting so your good boys can get in. And when you good boys die you just bring them back. Its not hyper efficient. Its just silly and sounds like so much fun win or lose.

Fun show! I view it more through the lense of how a person engages with any given unit/list/army. E.g 3 different players analyzing Ironjawz Spike - Look at the wounds per points! High-reliability buffs! Efficient Trading! Redundancy! Johnny - Movement tricks galor! Perfect smash and bash chaining! Guess he wasn't expecting the out-of-phase charge! Timmy - You know my bosses get stronger when they kill stuff? Yes, I did say that my MK has 6 damage attacks this phase! All to say (something you mentioned in the later half of the show), no matter where you land, you can probably build a list within any given army that matches your psychographic profile. (P.S Johnny/Spike are the archenemy and all my psychological utility comes from smashing their house of cards. Let's see how clever you are when you're getting trampled under my piggies hooves!)

That pyramid diagram though. This is why I'm a subscriber.

Great episode folks! Completely wrong opinion about the double turn aside, I feel like Scott's take is mostly criticism aimed at gw and how they work as a company (mostly the rules being in book formats) which I agree with. For Seraphon, my hope, like S2D, is that it is perfectly centered.

The rumor engine reminds me of the pole that sticks out of the back of the Slaughterbrute …

I think it's worth pointing out that most of these books trend towards the middle because most books are written flexibly enough for anyone to get utility out of them. Extremes exist but are rare, which I also think is good. Overall this looks like a really healthy spread, especially considering the open secret that AoS is a timmy game and you could also just stamp TIMMY as a transparent overlay across this whole thing. It's the real reason why most of them aren't being directly placed in the Timmy quadrant.

Nice, good on ya Tom. The Atlantic is pretty legit. Great show Gentlemen.

Was anyone else surprised by the number of Johnny-esc books considering the point at the start of AoS being a Timmy leaning game?

This was a great show! Makes me realize why I like playing certain of my armies over others. I wish I could see something like this for 40k too