Islam : The Untold Story (Tom HOLLAND)

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Documentaire de Tom Holland pour la télévision Channel 4, diffusé en aout 2012 (tous droits réservés Channel 4)

Tom Holland pointe le "trou noir" des origines de l'islam et enquête comme un détective sur les incohérences des sources musulmanes, l'absence de sources anciennes, l'absence de mention à Mahomet ou à La Mecque avant la fin du 7e siècle, le caractère très tardif de la 1ere biographie de Mahomet qui date de 200 ans après sa mort ... Il rencontre les spécialistes, les chercheurs et archéologues (Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Patricia Crone, Guy Stroumsa, Fred Donner et Tali Erickson-Gini), visite les lieux, contemple les vestiges pour confronter le matériel historique au discours islamique.

Pour aller plus loin : legrandsecretdelislam.com/ la synthèse des dernières recherches historiques sur les origines de l'islam (dont celles de Patricia Crone), pour comprendre enfin d'où vient l'islam, comment il est apparu, pourquoi il est comme il est.

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Documentary film by Tom Holland for Channel 4 television, broadcasted in August 2012 (all rights reserved to Channel 4)

Tom Holland points to the "black hole" of the origins of Islam and investigates as a detective on the inconsistencies of muslim sources, the absence of ancient sources, the absence of any mention of Muhammad or Mecca before the end of the 7th century , the very late nature of the 1st biography of Muhammad (dated from 200 years after his death). He meets specialists, scholars and archaeologists (Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Patricia Crone, Guy Stroumsa, Fred Donner and Tali Erickson-Gini), visits the sites, contemplates the vestiges, looks for historical material, which he confronts with the Islamic narrative.

All Comments (21)
  • @hakalaka8913
    i’m gonna be honest i thought it was gonna be spider man teaching me about Muhammad, but this is wonderful.
  • @motleydesign
    Stories that never happened can be infinitely more powerful than stories that did.
  • @user-ky5dy6iz5i
    This was an eye opener meaning that we generally have to dig for answers if we are expected to accept and believe in anything. I found this video to be good , objective. But there is still a long way to go in looking for answers and I pray that we as humans get at least some of those answers, personally I don’t judge which is right or wrong, only to be able to find peace for at least myself. This video might or might not be it but it’s good to know there are efforts being made .
  • @vickdisco
    I read Holland's book, "Dominion"....what an incredible book.
  • @samhindawi2258
    I am not a Muslim. However, studying extensively that religion and its history, it seems Dr. Holland tip toed around Islamic references that documented extensively the period he is examining. Our understanding would be very poor if we ignored early Christian historians and commentators. In the corpus of what is written by Muslim historians are also records of scientific knowledge, literature, philosophical ideas, theological analysis, etc. that enriched our world to this day. The views of the film are very limited to satisfy a certain audience not an academic one.
  • Dear Mr. Holland , i will try to be just and subjective and I will ask some questions: you made it to the desert of Wadi Rum in Jordan 🇯🇴 met some bedouins and heard from them about Islam, but never met some well known scholars in Jordan like Dr. Zaghlol AlNajjar , Dr. Mohammad Nouh and many others who would definitely enlighten you about your inquiries, why? One hour and 11 minutes I saw 4 people talking about Mohammad and kept saying “I do not know” as an answer for most of your questions and comments, are you convinced that you interviewed the right people? What are you trying to tell us here? Do you think that this work had been produced based on a proper scientific research? I need answers please!!!!
  • @edmurks236
    Maybe he should look in some of the Ancient Chinese accounts and writings in their ancient history. The Chinese were trading in that area and even with the Romans through various tribal Merchants including Arabs and desert peoples etc from very Ancient times. The Chinese may have some interesting writings about these Arabs and early Islam peoples/religions/practices. Chinese were always guarding their border lands against invaders, they had many tribal vassal states as well so the Chinese were great historians and record keepers, they are sure to have accounts worth reviewing.
  • @scottlosey4978
    ITS EASIER TO DECEIVE THE MASSES THAN IT IS TO CONVINCE THE MASSES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DECEIVED.
  • Thank you for posting I enjoyed watching it love seeing all the places you filmed at loved the old film footage
  • @induswaly
    Change of the qibla (Arabic: تحويل القبلة) is the event in which the qibla of Muslims (direction of performing some rituals) was redirected from al-Aqsa mosque, in Bayt al-Maqids (Jerusalem), to the Ka'ba (in Mecca). The event occurred in Rajab, 2/January, 624, after the revelation of al-Qibla Verse. According to the majority of historiographers, the change of qibla occurred in Masjid al-Qiblatayn in Medina in the middle of the noon prayer. One interesting point about the redirection of the qibla is how people turned in the middle of a congregational prayer to over 160 degrees.
  • @CaliMilli
    last 15 min was good example of how to be genuine and honorable, unbiased researcher/scholar
  • @elvenkind6072
    They were only allowed to show this once in the UK, because of massive protests from Muslims. So I can only recommend "In the Shadow of the Sword" by Tom Holland, that is the book he basically are "advertising" for here, to get the full story of what he gives the "headlines" for here. (I've read it probably 4-5 times!)
  • @theSaint-1964
    Radical islam is the snake..moderate Islam is the grass.
  • @ChrisMaveric
    Profound.... so much to learn, process and understand. Nice balance in providing content and context for consideration. Excellent video for those reasons...well done sir.
  • Am i the only one who thought Tom Holland from Spiderman was somehow involve in the documentary?
  • @SillyTube9
    Whenever Holland talks about its “weight,” you can’t help but think, “Yeah, of course. Islam is oppressive, not liberating. It’s the worst iteration of the monotheistic patriarchy in history.”
  • @user7690R
    the question that has been repeated since the beginning is " how do we know it was like that?" this question applies to all religions and all old historical events; we are sure of nothing unless we look carefully where we need to