Why I no longer use a VPN (most of the time) and nor should you

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Published 2023-05-04
In this episode, we explore why I no longer use a VPN (most of the time) and nor should you.

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All Comments (21)
  • @kkiwirocks
    Mullvad being raided by Swedish and German intelligence services and them finding absolutely nothing was the best advertising they could've asked for.
  • @KarlRock
    My dad in New Zealand asked me if he needed oneā€¦ thatā€™s when I realised their advertising had gone too far. Heā€™s the last person who needs a VPN šŸ˜‚
  • @jamindavey
    For Australian users: All ISPs are required by law to track every website you visit, maintain the data for 2 years, and hand that information over to any government agency that requests it without informing users about the request. VPNs are not obliged to do this. Even if they were pressured by the government to hand over data which they say they donā€™t have, they would not be legally obliged to remain silent about it by Australian law. Additionally, if an Australian is accessing US servers the additional latency from using a VPN isnā€™t noticiable compared to the trans Atlantic lag.
  • @cenewton3221
    There is no such thing as complete privacy nor is there complete security when connecting to the public network. I use a VPN much of the time with the understanding that I'm trusting my provider to do what they say. I recognize trusts are broken sometimes. Still, for the most part, I'll rate my privacy as being much better with the VPN than without, even if it isn't 100%. I equate it to why we lock our doors at night. Clearly a skilled & determined thief/criminal could make it into someone's house if they are determined enough. At the very least though, it's about keeping honest people honest. Not much we can do about everyone else other than remaining aware, observant & diligent.
  • Tom Scott did very good video on this topic. The funny thing was that the video was supposed to be a sponsored video by a VPN provider but since it was way too honest, the advertisers kept asking for changes and he ended up refusing to work with them. He then published the entire video without cuts (of course censoring it when he mentions the name of the VPN).
  • @I_Evo
    Lets be honest, VPNs are being sold to us in advertisements as security/privacy applications because the real reason most people I suspect use them, to get around geo restrictions, is probably not seen as a good corporate look for these companies.
  • @TheUberKevlar
    This is not why you shouldn't use a VPN but it's why you need to research the VPN that you do use, understand what a VPN actually does and when and how it is useful, what it can and can't do, and use something that is recommended by Infosec and privacy experts. I use Proton because (while it may not be perfect) their companies privacy/security model and ethics are of a lot better than most others out there.
  • @mark99k
    Like many others, I was talked into using VPN and still do, but the ridiculously obnoxious scare tactics in VPN marketing is souring me on the whole thing. It's reminiscent of antivirus offerings in the infancy of the consumer-level Internet (1990s), where you'd hear nothing from the AV all year until a week before your renewal, when it would suddenly, but consistently (and loudly), claim to have stopped a serious threat.
  • Mullvad was recently raided and from memory, the cops basically walked away empty handed because Mullvad really did store nothing
  • @larion2336
    I don't know what other magic people are expecting VPNs to be able to do, but for me all I want is for them to obscure ISPs I visit, protect me from legal bs when using torrents, and occasionally bypass geo blocks. For that it is very helpful. If you're the average grandma that just gets online to check her emails or something, I'd agree they are useless.
  • @person880
    A major issue with not using a VPN is that your regular IP address narrows you down so close to where you live, and it changes infrequently. Every website you visit knows there are only a handful of people in the world living in that area. With a VPN, you can have a different IP address in a different location as often as you want, and tons of other people will reuse the IP address you were using, meaning each IP address is useless in any attempt to identify who the user might be. The VPN company may or may not be trying to use your data against you, but your ISP definitely is using your data against you!
  • @cfazio
    Sun, do you use wifi with your fiber set-up or only Ethernet connections?
  • @hakonsoreide
    The reason Nord VPN is everywhere is not because they're necessarily the best at being a VPN, but the ones that are the best at marketing and that pays the most influencers to flog their wares. I don't worry about privacy, but I've needed a VPN to watch Norwegian tv now that I live in the UK. NordVPN actually worked great for this. I had another VPN before, the name of which I can't recall now, that didn't give me enough bandwidth to watch live tv, and I think at some point it also got IP blocked by the streaming service I wanted to use. I don't have a VPN now, but I might get one again.
  • @Wolf-ln1ml
    As much as I love Youtubers being able to get some support from companies, I don't think I've ever seen/heard one ad that didn't at least massively overstate the usefulness of whatever was being advertised (up to being ads for outright scams like that Scottish Lord/Lady title thing...) Frankly, by now, I see such ads as a warning to at best look into other products of the same type, but to stay away from that company...
  • @harikyoki
    I recall being able to use school internet with a vpn. for the past couple of yrs, I can't use it in any fast food joint, library, or school. any money making app will also refuse to work if they detect a vpn. the average joe like me is mostly cornered to only use their home based wifi for everything. is it me or this is occurring to make it that much easier to track what we're doing? I am looking up how to do certain things now to gain more privacy. I may be getting on in yrs but I'm willing to put in the effort. any advice or suggestions are appreciated. other than that, I'll keep on researching n trying.
  • @jonsmidt3701
    Hi Sun, what are your thoughts on the Orion browser for MacOS? They make some pretty large promises when it comes to privacy, and the browser runs very well on M1 Macs. Is it too good to be true?
  • @paarker
    When a VPN is being promoted on all the big YouTube channels, it screams ā€œCIAā€. ā€œFBIā€
  • You don't need cookies to be identifiable. There are browser fingerprinting techniques that looks at other things to identify you.
  • @rycin4457
    What are your thoughts on a DPN such as Deeper Networkā€™s products? Iā€™m considering the new Deeper Connect Air since I live half of the year outside of Canada and VPNā€™s donā€™t solve my issue
  • I really appreciate the nuance expressed here. Legitimate reasons to use a VPN are still respected, but going blindly in on a service I know next to nothing about VPNs other than ~~SECURITY~~ and ~~GETTING AROUND NATIONAL BANS~~, so if I got one for that reason, I'd also want to know the downsides, too. Everything has that dark-silver lining to it and you can actually sell more product this way. I think you made shopping for a VPN more effective and that's why I appreciate this video! Great work!