How Shipping Destroyed an AU

Please send Psi some love on Soundcloud, link is in the description. Important edit: This video is old (old to me) and not something I stand by anymore. I can see that there's been a recent resurgence of this video in the algorithm due to the recent Glitchtale video so I feel like it's appropriate to address some things here. A lot of this video is wrong, I was unfamiliar with the topic when I made it and made a lot of mistakes and misinterpretations when I did make the video. Putting aside my personal beliefs regarding pro-shipping or anything related to that topic, no one deserves to get harassed off the internet as the creators of this AU were and that's not something I'm going to debate about. I'll leave a document that can better explain what I got wrong here for anyone who's willing to read it: docs.google.com/document/d/1APAL2hWDVmbM33mtBSOETa… I've always meant for my videos to give a proper voice to people in situations I feel were unfairly treated so this is the least that I can do. There are some things that were brought up a little concerning but that depends on if or not the NSFW mentioned was reposted onto the same main account or a separate, harder to find NSFW one. Addressing some minor claims in the document, mostly regarding deleting comments. I've never deleted a comment criticizing or pointing out things I may have gotten wrong in my videos. I firmly believe that's a cowardly move to try and hide criticism rather than facing it head on. If a comment has been removed for some reason, it's probably because YouTube has flagged it and it's been moved to reviewed comments. I try to check those every few months to reupload any comments that may have been deleted but there's an obvious delay. Edit 2: For those of you wondering why I've specified why Flowerfell was not a Frans AU it was taken directly from the soundcloud in the description. The blog was very much centered around Frans however the original work was never centered around the ship. A few corrections regarding this video: youtube.com/post/UgwipFzOemFmqQAkVpx4AaABCQ Edit: Clarifying some wording, when I'm talking about people who think they are a character, I'm not talking about people with diagnosed mental issues (like psychosis). I'm referring to people who do not have disorders like such and are just basing their entire life/personality around a character that started as an active choice but turned into an unhealthy, dependent issue that should be addressed and fixed because mental illness/issues are NOT healthy and people SHOULD seek help for them. Also I will not be willy nilly handing out diagnosis of psychosis because that does more harm than good.

I hate Frans but I mostly saw the au as Frisk: I'm dying Sans: Son, dying is gay

Man when will people know that some are better off platonic??? Not every relationship has to be romantic.

Typically, I avoided this AU, because I thought it was Frans. But that was just the fandom twisting it. I wish I had gotten to see the AU for what it was :(

You know, I’m kind of happy we finally realised after six years that the frans was a weird ship tbh. Like how everyone tried so hard to justify it because “the age is up to the player” even if during the whole gameplay everyone refer to frisk as a “kid” a “child”. Hell, even Toby calls them a kid. Flowerfell was a really good au, it’s terrible to see how the creator got harassed so bad over a ship it wasn’t even supposed to be in the story

im just disgusted at this point that a fandom who was supposed to be about spreading kindess was this fucking horrible to an au who was the kindeat of them all.

Let's be honest, people forgot that platonic friendship exist. How the heck did this hit 9 k?

“Just because people are good friends doesn’t mean they make a good couple” — Animal Crossing villager dialogue (I think City Folk?)

Now let me say one thing. Flowerfell is indeed NOT A SHIPPING AREA as Frisk is a literal underage child and Sans is a (Beep)ing ADULT. Flowerfell isn't something for Frans to be OMG THEY DATING but rather a Father to Daughter relationship, not flipping LOVERS. Man... Secret Garden truly is a God-send when it comes to this AU

Nothing worse than when a fanbase destroys the very thing they “love”.

Toby: makes a game that teaches that kindness makes things better and to take considerations of other's feelings The toxic fandom:Sure but my headcanons, woe is me

"I just want my brother to be happy again" This hits your right in the heart....

16:29 when she started crying I almost cried… this hit far too close to home for me. I just hope the creator of Flowerfell is in a better place then when they were

the au: about showing kindness towards another being, whether their human or not fandom: OMG FRANS AU

The truth of the matter, is that it was just a fun project. That was literally it, a fun project about a story that has an amazing moral. But the community has done the opposite, and made this project a living hell to work on. I hope the creators are ok, and are able to move on from this. There is a thing called "crunch culture" and I just watched an entire video about it. This AU was a living example of that. To the people who called themselves "fans", but actively pushed the creators to work on the story until they drop dead, you should learn from this..and be mindful of what goes into work. Even if it's something as simple as storytelling, there is a lot that goes behind the scenes.

You can really hear the pain in Psi(?)'s voice. It sucks that Sani had to go through all this because of some shipping shit

Someone else already said this, but knowing Flowerfell was never suposed to be a Frans AU actually makes me want to read it now. It's sad how a little misconception can make you want to avoid something that you could have enjoyed so much at all costs. I hope the creators can reconciliate and find peace one day.

And some "fans" wonder why creators left the fandom during that time frame so often... Underswap's creators for good, Underfell's creator for a handful of years, Heaventale for good, Dreamtale's creator on and off through the years cause even now, she receives so many threats and disrespect once she opens her ask box for a time. Hey, it's almost like people DON'T like being treated like shit just because the "fans" believe they deserve the creations more than the creators themselves for whatever pathetic reason! Just because they think they love it more! Just because they make more fanart than one or two singular creators can! That's almost what a fandom is, a vast collection of people that love the work of one, two, or a group of people much much smaller than their numbers, so OF FUCKING COURSE a FANDOM makes more content than a singular creator can! Doesn't mean they "deserve" it more than the god damn creator does! This is exactly the reason several other creators are terrified of making their stories public, because they don't want to end up like the creators before them. If you love a work sooooooo much and want more, be the better person. Don't do what the Flowerfell fandom did. Doesn't matter what community you're in. Just. Don't. Do. It. Period. Thank you so much for making this, Stream. You voiced everything better than I could. Please excuse my salt.

I noticed a lot of wholesome content ends up having very disgusting fans, one of the best examples I can give is the difference between the hazbin hotel fan base and the helluva boss fan base, hazbin is about Charlie trying to help wayward souls while helluva boss is about a bunch of imps that kill people for profit, you can see that hazbin fans , despite hazbin being about the redemption of others, act like evil incarnate, while helluva boss fans are more chill, wholesome content attracts more people than content that isn’t wholesome, so their are more likely to be absolutely horrid people than the latter

"I respect Sanei's decision to take it down, but not really because now us fans can claim it as ours and keep it going against their wishes." The level of my disgust is too strong for mere words.