Jingliu Keeps Getting Worse | Honkai Star Rail

I'd say she's best kept for warming the bench but. . .

Shocker. The Ice dps is better against Ice weak enemies 💀

Me when i spread misinformation on the internet:

man youtube really needs to bring back the feature to see how many dislikes a video has because im sure as hell this video has more dislikes then likes with only 572 in 11k views

One of the main reasons she was so busted on release was the consistent amount of flat atk and crit rate she gave herself. However as more dps chars gave more stats to themselves, that became obsolete. She also has no downsides to fix, DHIL has sparkle to make him more consistent, DoT got BS and Ruan Mei. FUA just got robin. Acheron will likely get a support given how popular she is and cause there aren’t many support focused nihility characters. Jinglui has no flaws and therefore can’t improve over time. Metas not been kind to her with it focusing less on hypercarry and more on ‘Gimmicky’ teams like break, FUA and DoT.

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I forgot how cruel the moving goalpost can be.

And then there's me not understanding why anyone would bang their head against a wall bringing their Ice DPS against enemies not weak to ice. Like if your entire argument is that she fell off against enemies that aren't weak to ice, yet she's completely fine against Ice-weak enemies, this just seems like user error. You brought charmander into Misty's gym (water type) and expected to win then made a rant video after it couldnt get past her Staryu. I was sitting here listening to this video wondering what DPS came after Jingliu that powercrept her besides literally just Acheron. Argentina? No shot anyone in their right mind would say he powercrept Jingliu. DHIL? He came out BEFORE her, that is NOT powercreep and it irks me every time people throw that word around willynilly. The meta changed? There used to be a huge meme in the community that every MoC no matter what the enemies are, Jingliu mains are there clearing it without issue. Now we're finally getting enemies that just so happen to not be weak to ice and here we are getting ridiculous videos like this. Before Acheron came, I used Jingliu exclusively for Gold and Gears and Swarm Disaster clears. For remembrance runs I still will. For anything that's weak to Ice, I still will be using the best Ice DPS. My DHIL does similar damage to my Jingliu. My jingliu is e0s1 while my DHIL is e2s1 but the thing is i don't do something stupid and bring my jingliu in against Sam or the new penacony weekly boss or anything else that isnt already weak to Ice. The point about her not getting any support is ridiculous too as if RM with penacony set didn't just come out not all that long ago. I just think this is the most wild video, when if this was really a thing, all the desperate for drama clickbait youtubers would be making shitty videos like this one.

Makes sense. I've had her for montus and now she started feeling underwhelming in newer content lmao

Jingliu, Blade, DHIL, and Jing Yuan are gonna be forced to reconcile now 💀💀💀

We did it DHIL fans. We won the war.

as someone who got fomo'd into pulling jingliu and her lc bcs people kept saying shes better than dhil, best dps (second to acheron) i can say that shes not breaking any records😅 "just use bronya" yeah, thats the problem, i don't have bronya and using sparkle w her feels so bad bcs her advanced forward eats her ult buff like a buffet. (i don't have ruanmei btw) pulling before her lc, she feels a little underwhelming and i thought.. hey, what if i pulled her sig? i did, yeah her dmg improved but i came to realise that a unit's strenght shouldnt be tied up to a paywall. i felt a need to pull her bcs ppl hyping how her barrier to entry was low plus this moc is ice weak but, i don't have bronya and ruanmei, wheres this "low barrier to entry"? all and all in my expirience w her, shes good but ppl kept overrating her. shes not better than dhil in any universe, even before sparkle his sp management isnt that bad where as jingliu's out of state form isnt fixable if you don't have bronya.

honestly if you compare this to genshin, jingliu having free stats and a lot of advantages because every enemy was weak to her at some point. She's more like ganyu in the sense that she was only good because even with low investment she was a monster, she was only overpowered at the time because you didnt have to build her that well and her damage at low investment was strong enough to compete against dhil just because they were weak to ice. and we keep saying powercreep comes every banner lmao

Bro just sux at moc and decide to blame it on Jing Lui.

The big issue with Jingliu, is that her kit works against her. It worked so well back in when she came, but now, with enemies stronger, things increased, the works. It makes it harder for Jingliu to get around. Why use her, when you can Acheron ult, or use Lunae as he has 3 SP points sure, but getting Jingliu to her enhanced state is a stumbling block these days.

While she is getting powercrept, she is still strong. And i could argue that at some point in the future, she will get buffed indirectly. New supports, new relics, etc, etc. And besides, if you need ice coverage, she is your girl. Remember, waifu/husbu over meta.

I watched both your videos and still don't really agree. I feel like you spend a lot of time trying to convince people of your point this time by just talking about credentials and stuff that wouldn't really matter in practice For example "taking away pela from acheron, tingyun from daniel, or ruan mei from DoT" isn't really that big of a deal. Maybe when we have to start running 4 teams for a game mode it'll matter, but you can just take away the one that matters the least to your other teams. And this team building dillema isn't exclusive to Jingliu at all. Sparkle is really good on Jing yuan, DHIL, Seele, and QQ comps (and a bunch of other characters you could theoretically run as hypercarries if you really want). Whether or not these characters are worse because they share a BIS support doesn't really matter, the point is just that this isn't exclusive to Jingliu at all What you fail to mention though is at this point, Jingliu has effectively almost cost free access to bronya due to better options being available for other characters. I know the point is to make Jingliu look bad here, but it just feels dishonest when you only bring up how she takes characters away from other teams and not how she can actually help free up team slots for your other team Another thing is that the aventurine boss may take away a turn of transmigration, but he also fully restores energy, which gives jingliu an extra turn. I found personally she was actually fine against that boss. I don't know why it took you over 10 cycles to clear 6:08 Jingliu doesn't need a healer. You were just using aventurine in the previous clip and surviving fine. Aventurine against sam performs the same as he does against his boss variant. If sam was ice weak, you could easily use aventurine with jingliu and do well because sam has a similar amount of aoe attacks (Sam not being ice weak is the only actual issue that I agree with). More importantly though, this is also an issue nowhere near exclusive to Jingliu. Taking Black swan to non wind weak content reduces her damage massively. Kafka against non lightning weak content does the same thing. Xueyi against non quantum weak enemies does significantly worse. It feels like you are presenting things that are just game mechanics that apply to every character as flaws with Jingliu. And Jingliu has an easier time brute forcing non ice weak content than a lot of other characters do 7:15 Your argument the whole video has been your own Jingliu struggling to clear and then claiming it's a problem with the character. This seems kind of ironic and strange to say - "bro really typed all that" Yeah, I think when people get something wrong it's fine to correct them as long as you do it civilly. I don't hate you or anything (if I did I wouldn't bother taking the time to write this), I just think you have a strange flawed take that's brought about by your own bad experiences rather than looking at the facts of the matter and how Jingliu actually compares to the rest of the cast. People aren't just making up their good clears with Jingliu and while waifu bias is a thing, but it's not why people recommend her. Topaz wasn't exactly highly recommended by even the Topaz fanclub until follow up characters became more prominent for example People think Jingliu is good because all evidence points towards Jingliu being good

I think JL might not be as overpowered as she used to be in endgame. She doesn't have that same level of team synergy with certain units that someone like ratio, dhil or kafka does, and she's not as straight up game breaking as acheron is. But she's just such a broken character when your starting the game. Building her is insanely easy because you dont have to worry about crit like you do with other dps. She is also extremely versatile as a unit being sp positive, having her own action advancing and what not. But yeah I think as time goes on it will be difficult for her to perform as well in endgame. But we won't have to worry about that for a while, shes still comfortably a top 10 dps (and a damn hotass woman)

He’s not wrong lol, the main thing holding her back is lack of ice bosses/enemies, and a tailored support. She’s still very good

its hilarious how jing yuan gets better every patch