How Strong Are Trunks & Goten?

Few things I missed in the video, thanks to helpful commenters! Most of them dont change the thesis of the video but are definitely worth mentioning: -Goten also trained with Trunks of course, not just Chichi -Goten and Trunks are likely much stronger because Goku/Vegeta were already Super Saiyans by the time they were concieved -I may have misspoken "Perfect Cell" and "Super Perfect Cell" at a couple points, though I still believe by the time Super Hero rolls around, the boys are stronger than both -Lot of people have issue with Gamma 1 & 2 scaling in Super Hero. Imo there are 2 ways to look at scaling stuff, if you care about the statements, you can see them how I portrayed in the video, but if you only care about what you see on screen thats totally fine too! -I mix the Anime and Manga, again I dont think it changes much about the video but I find it fun to take from both to build a more cohesive narrative if it doesnt bring up any blaring contradictions, thats the fun of having 2 to pull from :)

I wanna see a Goten and Trunks spin off series

Goten and trunks should get a spin off where they become galactic patrol agents and have like a buddy cop vibe.

I love teen gotens design it’s very distinct from his dad and really feels cool like trunks

I think closing the gap of power between a lot of characters would help the show out a lot. People love the Saiyan hybrids as well a piccolo. It feels better to see them strong and able to hold their own even if they aren't as powerful as Goku and Vegeta. Rather than tossing them weak opponents just to give the a W. It will also better prove the strength of adversaries if they defeat the side cast. Beast Gohan being defeated would come as a much greater surprise than his previous form and would better prove how much of a threat an opponent may be. Also I personally would be very happy to see Gohan making an impact and defeating more important enemy. Seeing him step in to finish off a powerful opponent who defeated Goku or Vegeta would be very fun.

Goten was my favorite when I was younger. Such a shame they didn’t get more character development. Until now of course.

That Kamehameha Goten hit on Cell Max went hard.

Goten was learning how to fight in Kame Style from Chi Chi but he was ultimately training with Trunks as they were sparring (Trunks later revealed that to Vegeta). Goten became Super Saiyan in front of Chi Chi first though.

At the end of the movie we saw them doing the fusion dance (correctly) and never saw how they looked. So I bet the next movie/arc will be about them!

With Goku and Vegeta being God of Destruction-tier power it is the perfect time to give some love to the side characters with their own stuff. I'd honestly love to see them go down the route DBO did with the timeline: Tien and Krillin starting their own Crane and Turtle schools (Tien already has.), Gohan writing about ki control (Allowing him to turn his academic research into training.), that kind of stuff.

Some things to note: 1. 4:00 In the manga, Goten and Trunks never landed a hit on #18. They couldn’t touch a SUPPRESSED #18 who initially believed she was fighting an earthling. Furthermore, Goten didn’t think they could kill her. That panel was just Trunks stating a ki blast WOULDN’T kill her. Scaling them to or above #18 like you did would be wrong. 2. 6:00 #17 tamed those Cell juniors, and thus they had no killing intent when confronting Goten and Trunks. In the anime as everyone knows, #17 doesn’t kill the poachers he encounters. This is also true in the manga and in Chapter 31 he rounds up poachers and places them on a boat, telling them to never return. So it’s clear #17 has a no kill policy. In the bonus chapter where the Cell juniors make an appearance, #17 makes it clear to Krillin that he tamed the juniors to not defy rangers. This would mean that they’re trained to hold back their power as to prevent any killing of possible poachers. Even then, when they attacked Goten and Trunks they were pushing the boys back and Goten even exclaimed, “They’re too strong!” The boys aren’t Cell level.

The Cell Max "feat" was to show nuance in Cell's weak point imo. It can absorb standard ki blasts. But not physical strikes or techniques that change the ki blasts property. Special beam cannon as the titular example, i would say a strong enuff Destructo Disk would have also hit the weak spot.

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Goten in the ranger fit goes hard

Great video, I like the editing and how you gathered both anime and manga information. Also I didn't even realize that technically they were stronger than Piccolo's new state since they were able to crack Cell-max's head lol, I'm glad you mentioned that. Hope we can see more of the saiyan boys.

this is verry good editting i should add. keep up the great work

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