Why Do Youtubers Keep Destroying Companies - WAN Show April 19, 2024

Jim can add "fixed WAN show start time" to his list of achievements

Doing this interview live on the WAN show took some balls. Congratulations on the excellent stream!

When an honest review destroys your company you have a shit product that shouldn’t have been released.

Timestamps [0:00] Chapters. [1:20] Intro. [1:44] Topic #1: Interview with Tenstorrent's CEO Jim Keller. > 4:11 What Tenstorrent does, discussing RISC V. > 7:54 is RISC V looking for a PhD or experience? > 9:39 How far do you think x86 can go? How computers predict. > 11:54 Could Intel or AMD use RISC V as a prediction set in their chips? > 13:18 Linus on returning to legacy & replacing PCs with RISC V? > 16:29 Luke on server stack issues. > 18:52 Advice for keeping up with the industry? > 20:34 Linus asks about the origin of Tenstorrent's ideas. > 24:39 Discussing AI's impact on computers & architecture design. > 31:01 Being in a simulation & related theories. > 32:00 Discussing company stocks, good V.S. great company leader. > 37:50 What was joining AMD back then like? ft. Management, risk. > 43:46 How much did Intel save AMD with the bad generational leaps? > 44:58 Discussing NVIDIA's current leap, thoughts on the future. > 49:08 RISC V competitors helping RISC V's development? > 50:34 Linus on the issues with the x86 Via Centaur chip. > 53:08 How far are we from fully self driving cars? > 58:10 What will the next tech thing be? > 1:04:08 What does Tenstorrent & Jim Keller do? ft. Roast. > 1:08:40 Ending the interview, excited Linus & Luke discuss. [1:11:18] Topic #2: YouTuber interviews on Humane Ai Pin cause drama. > 1:13:28 Linus recalls NVIDIA & Hardware Unboxed controversy. > 1:15:20 Discussing it from the manufacturer's side, NVIDIA & Apple. > 1:20:46 Luke requests FP reviews of the new beta site. > 1:21:18 Linus recalls his comment on not wasting money. > 1:25:44 Luke on companies pushing beyond, recalls Jim's interview. [1:27:39] Sponsors. > 1:27:44 MSI. > 1:28:55 Squarespace. > 1:29:47 Vessi. [1:30:39] Merch Messages #1. > 1:31:55 LTT Labs mouse reviews ETA? ft. Calling Gary, Beat Saber paper. > 1:36:45 Connecting an infected PC task ft. Tech in movies, forums link. [1:39:36] Topic #3: PaintCam Eve, AI projectile-powered security kickstarter. [1:49:24] Topic #4: Overclockers UK repairs The Spiffing Brit's tea PC. > 1:51:55 Repairs done, why make PCs for creators? ft. DiskMantler, drive stories. [1:57:36] LTTStore's new Labs phase shirt, pullover hoodie & zip-up hoodie. [1:59:48] Topic #5: Watcher leaves YouTube, launches ad-free subcription. > 2:01:14 Linus & Luke on why this wouldn't work, Vessi, FP, Patreon. [2:14:46] Pullover & zip-up hoodies will be print to order. [2:14:56] Topic #6: HP sued over blocking third party ink & monopoly. [2:17:19] Topic #7: Boston Dynamics announces new Atlas. > 2:21:22 Keanu Reeves to voice Shadow in the Sonic 3 movie. > 2:21:45 Figure's OpenAI speech-to-speech reasoning robot. [2:23:25] Topic #8: YouTube warns third party YouTube apps with adblocks. > 2:27:44 Linus on Google's adblocker detection & Google Family. [2:31:00] Topic #9: Linus reviews Steam Families. [2:32:36] Topic #10: Plex tells GitHub to take down Plex Reshare repositry. [2:35:02] Topic #11: UK criminalizes noncon sexualized deepfakes. > 2:35:17 US's potential bill allows victims to sue, can this be enforced? [2:37:20] Merch Messages #2 ft. WAN Show After Dark. > 2:37:48 What is beyond Labs? Do you consider going after online education? > 2:38:53 How is Linus's smart home going? Zigbee or Wi-Fi? > 2:44:07 Biggest compromise Linus or Yvonne had with adding home tech? > 2:44:58 Is the Labs hoodie the same as the Dropout hoodie? > 2:45:43 Something that was more complicated than you thought? > 2:48:40 New LTTStore onesie designs ETA? > 2:52:18 Have you watched the Fallout show? ft. "Wink" - Dan. > 2:53:47 Motivation behind FP's frontend refactor to react? > 2:56:21 Any repairs or tweaks Linus had to do with his Chevy Bolt? > 2:57:46 Has Liuns considered AHL hockey games? > 3:00:33 Why isn't the ATX12VO mainstream yet? > 3:01:11 Thoughts on the Twitter sites changing to X sites? > 3:02:47 Worst mass adopted tech product? > 3:04:16 Would you consider Massdrop for low volume products? > 3:05:38 Riding a bike with the LTT backpack? How does it fair with accidents? > 3:06:27 What brand of Optical DP does Linus run for his racked PCs? > 3:07:51 If you collaborate with others on LTTStore, what would you make? > 3:09:06 Thoughts on buying online movies you can't own then pirating it? > 3:11:44 Whatever happened to upside down PC cases? > 3:12:03 Favorite part of product development? [3:13:37] Outro. Side note: Thanks for waiting! donations are in my channel's about page.

Don't get me wrong, I love the WAN show and listen to it every week. But that live chat with a brain that big on Keller, making extremely complicated things understandable. And the super well put together questions and follow ups. That was the best wan show I've ever listened to. Period.

The Jim Keller interview was jaw-droppingly compelling, fascinating and too short.

The problem with Doc Martens isn't that they suddenly got high quality. They've always lasted for many years even through intense usage. They moved their production to china when part of the cache was their being made in the UK. They were also huge in the punk and electronic scene who largely gave up on them as styles change and simultaneously the move to China lost the niche status that being made in England endeared them to those communities as well. Now they're just another show/boot company in a huge field of competition of other style innovators.

Jim Keller was out of this world man.

YouTube used to feed me infographic compilations in my sleep/through the night , but it recently switched to the WAN show and now I am waking up to Linus segue me into breakfast lots. NOT complaining just making y'all aware of my great new morning routine and wondering what info I subconsciously will absorb🤣! greetings from the Netherlands.

This guy is an inspiration. It's impressive that as a for-profit company he is so full on open-source, and really sees it as a "team effort" where other teams/companies build towards a similar goal as friendly competitors. Also great that he explicitly says that he isn't looking to compete with Nvidia because he doesn't need to run billion dollars into profits. Awesome realism.

You must put Jim Keller in the thumbnail if not rethink the title, I understand that the title is the ‘hot’ news, but I almost skipped because I already know about the MKBHD stuff. But having Keller’s wisdom on the show is by far the most exciting thing on the show. (At least for me)

Getting Jim Keller on the show was amazing. Also really great questions, insightful interview!

Check out Fishvap's comment to see a way more detailed and full version of timestamps 0:00 WAN starts 1:48 Introducing Jim Keller 3:00 Jim appears 4:20 1st community question, and Jim introduces Tenstorrent 8:00 2nd part of community question 9:53 3rd community question 11:59 2nd part of community question 13:26 Linus asks a question 16:35 Luke asks a question 18:54 4th community question 20:43 Linus asks a question 24:43 Lets talk AI 25:00 5th community question and Linus follow on question 31:06 Are we really in a simulation? 32:02 Linus question (business) 34:28 Answer 36:23 What does Tenstorrent success look like? 37:55 6th community question (AMD) 40:42 Engineers not believing in a project 42:11 What was the question? (Summarised) 43:53 How much did Intel save AMD by stagnating? 44:55 NVIDIA is the lead. Opinions and aim for the future 49:10 Other competitors in RISC V teammates? 50:45 LTT has managed to get a Centaur processor 53:08 How far away are we from FSD? 58:12 What is the next thing? 1:04:11 What are you doing? 1:08:43 Interview wrap up Stopping for now. Feel free to contribute below.

You can really tell Linus was very excited by the way he just doesn't stop talking when asking questions, jumping from one question to another and another and doesn't even breathe doing so. So relatable tho

1:22 Intro 1:49 Interview: Jim Keller, CEO of Tenstorrent 3:09 Jim appears after introduction 4:18 "Can you give us a short introduction into Tenstorrent?" 7:52 "For getting into a higher level design position, PhD or years in industry?" 9:41 "How far can x86-64 go?" 11:57 "Could we see cores using multiple architectures?" 13:22 "Will we see ARM and RISC-V replacing x86 in the future?" 16:31 "How is the server stack going?" 18:52 "How do you keep up with the industry?" 20:35 "How much of a generational improvement was: you hadn't thought of it, you tried it small but now you're going big, or we had thought of it but the technology wouldn't allow for it?" 24:39 "Where do you see your role in AI? Do you feel a responsibility in building the hardware that is responsible for AI advancements?" 28:44 "How harmful is high visibility AI failure? Is it damaging in the long term?" 32:02 "Could it be both a fad and the future at the same time?" 33:24 "What is the leadership at your company like?" 37:50 "What was the morale at AMD like?" 40:46 "With the people working on Zen, how did they not believe in it throughout its development?" 43:52 "How much did Intel save AMD through stagnation?" 44:58 "Which company are you guys targeting?" 49:11 "Do you see competitors in RISC-V as teammates?" 50:39 "What do you think the problem with the Centaur's AI CPUs was?" 53:08 "AI is hard. Driving a car is hard. How far are we from full self driving?" 54:03 "How far are away from TRUE self driving?" 58:10 "Do you know what the next big thing will be?" 1:02:17 "What is your take on keeping generative AI out of creative mediums?" 1:04:01 "You're working on low cost fabrication equipment: is it ASML?" 1:07:41 "Which comes first, Atomic Semi or Tenstorrent? Do they drive each other?" 1:08:43 Closing statements, end of interview 1:11:10 Topic 1: MKBHD "destroys" AI company 1:13:00 Marques' comment on the incident 1:13:23 You owe nothing to companies sending products for free 1:15:20 Discussing the screwdriver reviews, how people didn't have to give a good review 1:18:15 LTT never received review sample, ordered to review on the channel soon 1:19:51 There are no obligations to send products to reviewers 1:20:48 Floatplane update 1:21:19 MKBHD is saving consumers from a junk product 1:23:03 Intel ARC, couldn't recommend but they wanted it to succeed because it had potential 1:23:43 Engagement bait was MKBHD's biggest sin, we NEED multiple perspectives for product reviews 1:25:55 We all want risk takers but companies will inevitably fail, you can't say "good product" to a bad product 1:27:44 *Sponsor - MSI 1:28:56 Sponsor - Squarespace 29:49 Sponsor - Vessi 1:30:41 Merch Messages 1:31:56 "ETA on mouse portion of LTT Labs?" 1:32:17 "Thoughts on research paper where 55k+ users in Beat Saber can be uniquely identified using head and hand motion?" 1:33:09 Cont.. "ETA on mouse portion of LTT Labs?" 1:36:10 Cont.. "Thoughts on research paper where 55k+ users in Beat Saber can be uniquely identified using head and hand motion?" 1:36:44 "How do you handle being told to connect an infected PC to a hospital work LAN?" 1:39:40 Topic 2: PaintCam Eve, the paintball camera with AI face recognition 1:40:41 Watching the first look video on the camera 1:41:19 Explanation of what the camera is intended to do, features provided 1:42:36 Dear CEO: have you ever fired a paintball gun? 1:43:52 People have made this before! This is a very bad idea! 1:44:59 Watching I Did A Thing's paintball camera "home security system" 1:45:28 Most countries have laws to prevent home security systems from existing 1:46:34 "Paintballs can be accurate but you need a long barrel" 1:48:36 Porch pirates won't even get hit 1:49:24 Topic 3: Spiffing Brit Tea PC was damaged in shipping, mould started growing 1:51:56 The tea has been replaced with dyed EK-CryoFuel 1:52:06 They added their own branded mug to the build, watching the video to try and find it in the PC 1:52:47 "Thanks for fixing the PC, why do we build creator PCs when they get broken in transit?" 1:53:39 Linus brings up hard drive destroyer that purely works on vibration 1:54:06 Watching promotional video on the machine 1:54:37 People typically underestimate the amount of damage that HDDs take through transportation 1:55:00 Luke's story about a truck driver who would often leave his laptop on the side and the HDD would shake itself to death until SSDs existed 1:56:07 Doc Martens are struggling, supposedly from long lasting shoes 1:56:28 We reached the point where people don't need to upgrade their SSDs anymore 1:57:38 LTTStore 1:57:51 Labs Phase T-Shirt 1:58:54 Labs Phase Pullover Hoodie (and Zip-up Hoodie) 1:59:00 Topic 4: Watcher Entertainment announces they are leaving YouTube and starting an ad-free subscription streaming service called WatcherTV 2:01:13 "I think they're doomed" and Luke elaborates why 2:02:11 They plan to upload first few episodes to YouTube, rest will go to streaming service 2:03:02 The audience is the algorithm in a way 2:05:18 So many reasons for people not to want to watch anymore 2:06:30 People change. That's why people move on most of the time 2:07:45 If you're not diversifying your content then you won't survive 2:08:37 Floatplane was built to create sustainability, Vessel was not viable 2:09:08 DropoutTV is a great example of how they market their shows on YouTube and have a diverse catalogue 2:10:18 External monetization methods for WatcherTV 2:12:37 Rooster Teeth tried the same thing, but failed into obscurity 2:13:19 With so many Floatplane subscribers, the revenue is still not good enough to justify replacing YouTube 2:14:48 Pullover and Zip-up hoodies are print-to-order, shipping will be delayed 2:14:58 Topic 5: HP sued for their printer ink monopoly, again 2:16:24 Discussion question: how many times do we need to prove it's not OK so that they stop? 2:17:20 Topic 6: Boston Dynamics is replacing Atlas... with Atlas 2:17:40 Watching the New Atlas video 2:18:42 Limbs don't need to bend normally on a robot 2:18:57 What jobs are they going to be doing? 2:19:56 We are a lot closer to the future than we realise 2:21:24 Keanu Reeves is going to be the voice of Sonic the Shadow 2:21:53 Watching the video on the Figure robot 2:23:24 Topic 7: YouTube warns ad blockers with punishments 2:24:04 What is YouTube trying to do here? 2:24:38 You can't boycott YouTube, you have no impact and you are actually a leech on the platform 2:25:26 This is a win, but not for the reason you think 2:27:05 This is the best offer we'll get, there is no negotiating power 2:27:47 The war on ads will only continue 2:28:44 The hope is that things stay like this for the foreseeable future 2:29:25 Premium is expensive. You can subsidise the cost quite easily 2:30:14 YouTube is apparently cracking down on Google Family abuse 2:31:12 Linus talks about his experience with the new Steam Families beta 2:32:40 Topic 8: Plex requests a takedown on the Plex Reshare repository, GitHub agrees 2:35:04 Topic 9: UK criminalizes sexualised deepfakes, US considering a bill to allow victims to sue creators of sexualised deepfakes without consent 2:35:41 Anything broader would be tough to enforce because of doppelgangers 2:36:19 People are getting upset about others recreating their likeness using deepfakes and AI 2:37:35 WAN Show Afterdark 2:37:49 "What is beyond Labs?" 2:38:55 "How is the smart home going? Who do you recommend?" 2:44:09 "What's the biggest compromise you or Yvonne have made adding technology to the house?" 2:44:59 "Is the Labs hoodie the same as the Dropout hoodie?" 2:45:44 "What is something that is significantly more complicated than you thought prior to LTTStore or Floatplane?" 2:48:41 "When will the onesie get a new design?" 2:52:19 "Have you watched the Fallout show yet?" 2:53:48 "What was the motivation for the frontend refactor?" 2:56:25 "I bought the Chevy Bolt. Any major repairs or tweaks? What should I do to keep it in good shape?" 2:57:47 "Ever considered AHL hockey games?" 3:00:35 "Why still no ATX12VO?" 3:01:13 "Thoughts on automatically switching Twitter to X in posts?" 3:02:48 "Worst widely adopted technology product?" 3:04:16 "For other low-volume products, would you consider mass drop?" 3:05:38 "Do you ride your bike with the LTT backpack? How well does it do after an accident?" 3:06:28 "What brand of optical DP are you running in your home?" 3:07:52 "Who would you collaborate with for LTTStore? What would you make?" 3:09:08 "What do you think about buying a movie online and taking a copy of it for local use?" 3:11:46 "What happened to upside down PC cases?" 3:12:03 "What is your favourite part of product development?" 3:13:48 Outro

PLEASE have Mr. Keller on again! Holy heck that was fascinating. I could listen to him talk for hours. About literally anything. He's got such a grounded yet esoteric grasp on reality. Such a delight to hear him speak. Extremely knowledgeable.

I loved the personality of Jim. He knows how to talk and not stop but is still engaging to listen to and love his phrases and humor

"They might test it in a way that we didn't think of" is exactly why you SHOULD send your product to outside reviewers, ideally a pre-release version so you can find fixable quirks and errors before full production. You should also have your team using the product during design and testing for the same reason (like how the LTT screwdriver showed up being used in tons of videos before it was available for purchase).

Finally wan show is back. Now i can listen to this for the rest of my night shift.

must have been a long week for LMG teams with so many streams they handled, good job y'all