Five Reasons I am unhappy with Ineos. Why was my Grenadier towed away?

Thanks for funding Ineos field testing program.

Catch 22, I would never buy a 1st series of a vehicle from an established manufacturer and the same applies for a new manufacturer.. But if everyone followed my lead the manufacturers would not be able to release a second series due to lack of initiale sales. So I take my hat off to the brave consumers who venture into the unknown and put down their $ down to allow the rest of us to wait and learn from their experience. Hopefully Grenadier's after sales will improve, if not I doubt they'll survive away from the large markets such as Europe and America. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the honest info. The more complex new cars get the less reliable out in the back blocks they are.

Thanks, you have just helped me finalise a buying decision for myself and my business - I’ll wait for the new Landcruiser!

Hi Johm, i support your thoughts here 100%. I have had similar experiences with Ineos. I love my Grenadier, but Ineos have dropped the ball on the promises they made to us all

Damn. I had two "laser cut" keys and immobilizer reprogrammed for my Lexus at a Lexus dealership for $800 USD. Even then I was expecting to pay more. I've seen a few videos of people complaining about diff locks malfunctioning. As much as I find the Grenadier cool, the fact that its made with European parts including the BMW engine under the hood would make me paranoid. Thanks for the honest review. Subscribed.

We really appreciate your honesty here. I remember being super excited hearing Ineos was going to give us digital schematics, so hearing they haven't delivered on that is big.... and they key price... I'd rule the car out just for that.

You're making me glad I have persisted with my 2009 Defender 110.

Thanks for your honesty I will keep my 24 year old 4.2 patrol 4 hundred thousand ++ km easy to fix hammer and fencing wire cheers

Thank you for sharing - great insights - yes, the technical details not being delivered is a massive bummer - it is one of the reasons why I want a Grenadier, as with those drawings, it should be much easier for anyone to fix the care anywhere in the world. The other four issues you mentioned are also a bummer - I hope Ineos is listening!

Well ive watched this through. This is a raw, honest and open commentary on a vehicle you clearly love. Inlove them too. The concept, the hype ie “work on it on the side of the road with our manuals.” This is a UN specific answer to the old defender/landcruiser etc….. comprehensive modern network of service/repair depts. Sadly mate, its like the mercedes G professional. Let me tell youba story- ive had only landcruiser as personal cars. Sick of them and in 2017 thought “im gunna buy a MB prefessional”. Put one as a screen saver in my office. A very bigh ranking MB national manager was in my office and saw my screen saver. He said “you like those?” I said “yes i want a change from landcruiser”. His reply- “dont. They jumpmout of 4x4 in reverse, the electronics arre shit and the Aus army are having all sorts of trouble. If you buy one and a solenoid fails it must be towed to a certified MB repairer which are really only sydney or melbourne. You have rocks in your head to buy one”- i deleted the screen saver. I was the Toyota australia auctioneer, the only issue ive had is the last v8 79 clutch was shit. When you buy a car you buy a network. Not just the brand but the farms/wrecks/aftermarket. I really want to live the grenadier. They look horn in real life. But i cant. Youve done nothing wrong in your trips. And its let you down. Not only in the diff lock/winch/pwr steering but in the door seals My advice (from an auctioneer valuer of 37 years)- sell it. You wont lose. Buy a new 76 landcruiser…. At least the parts are everywhere mate (sorry for the waffle)

I have been looking carefully at the INEOS and the new PRADO 250 and the foot area was making me lean towards the PRADO but now I find out the marketing for the PRADO last year was bunkum and its the same engine as the older prado and not the genuine hybrid. I'm bloody minded now to keep my Pajero 2017 that's been flawless since 2017... Thank you John for your honest reviews.

The more I listen to gripes like this, the more I like I like my 1995 Commodore Wagon V6 manual which has Holden's Country Pack (higher suspension, LSD, Sump guard, stiffer springs and big shocks). I have fitted it with air bags in rear springs to counter the load of my camping gear, including 90L of water and 200L of fuel. It goes just about anywhere, has bullet-proof reliability and if something might go wrong, any country town has a wreck or ten to select parts from! Stuff these 21century cars and their technical unreliability.

I am glad I canceled my order early on only because I was worried about the reputation of the BMW engines and engine plastics. This justifies my decision

Thanks for sharing mate. Shame about the cost of some of those spare parts! Hope they get sorted without too much drama.

Hmmm... this is why most people stand back and watch what happens for a year or two before jumping in and spending their hard-earned cash on boutique vehicles. Thanks for being 'the canary in the coal mine ' Canny.

Hi John I had an INEOS Grenadier and a Landcruiser on order for over two years. they both arrived roughly the same time, but I took the Landcruiser due to concerns about the comments you are talking about. Whilst I have had no issues with the Landcruiser itself. my Landcruiser has been back to Toyota 4 times to get the apple car play fixed. Yes I know that is trivial but Toyota also have their issues when it comes to level of professional service, where they really after 4 attempts to fix should have just replaced the unit under warranty. But it goes in again next week for two days to identify the fault. 7 months to fix something as simple as a radio. Good luck with your car. Love the videos .

Thanks for sharing your experience mate. I applaud you for taking the plunge on a new vehicle/ company. Globally I think the BMW engine just causes concerns for a vehicle that wants to be accepted as an expedition capable vehicle. Hope it all works out. 👍

THanks for the video, was thinking about getting one but now realize its way too early, shame to hear this from such a promising brand

I am sticking with my Defender 110. I am glad I bailed out and got my deposit back.