Former IVF Doctor Blows the Whistle on Shocking Practices | Guest: Dr. Lauren Rubal | Ep 1018

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Published 2024-06-12
Today, we sit down with Dr. Lauren Rubal, a Reproductive Endocrinology & Infertility physician who focuses on fertility, recurrent miscarriage, painful, irregular, or heavy cycles, and menopause through an integrative lens. Instead of taking a bandaid, one-size-fits-all approach, Dr. Rubal views each patient as an entire person - body, mind, and soul - and works to address the root cause of reproductive disorders. But she wasn't always in this field. Dr. Rubal started her career in conventional medicine, and even practiced IVF. What prompted her to leave and start her own practice? How does Integrative Medicine differ from a more typical medical approach? What's so bad about IVF? Is there any such thing as "ethical" IVF? And why is hormonal birth control an ineffective treatment? We address all that and more.

Find Dr. Rubal at: www.laurenrubalmd.com/

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Timecodes:

(00:00) Introduction
(01:22) About Dr. Rubal & her practice
(05:20) The process of IVF
(13:11) Ethics of “donating” sperm
(15:15) Egg fertilization & the fate of embryos
(20:17) Egg grading & testing
(34:55) Embryo transfer process
(43:55) Risk of miscarriage
(45:10) More ethical IVF?
(46:15) Selective reductions
(51:11) Why Dr. Rubal left the IVF practice
(58:47) Why we need education about fertility
(01:04:57) Her integrative approach to health
(01:07:25) Where to find Dr. Rubal

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Former IVF Doctor Blows the Whistle on Shocking Practices | Guest: Dr. Lauren Rubal | Ep 1018

All Comments (21)
  • @blair9607
    Just trying to reach out to anyone watching this who is struggling with infertility. Here’s my testimony. After 4 years of trying , grieving every month and being hopeful every month . I finally prayed that God just take the pain away , and that he shows me a path that I meant to follow . I felt instant relief and went about my days . The following week a person I didn’t know came into my shop when it was empty and said “ God had told me to come I’m here and say you’re going to have a baby by Christmas “( this was in early October ). This was triggering because I’d just come to terms with my situation . I told my husband about that person coming in and we both laughed it off . 4 weeks later around November I was pregnant. I now have a beautiful 10 month old baby ✨ surrendering to Gods plan , whatever it is , is the way x
  • @melsabatini3892
    I tried for 15 years. No intervention. Then I heard go off gluten and lose weight. I did this and within 3 months I was pregnant. It was a huge shock but so amazing. Tomorrow that baby boy turns 14 can't believe the years flew by so fast.
  • @Blueskies1180
    A friend did IVF for 4 years (in her 30s), gave up after those 4 years, one year later, she became pregnant naturally… she then wanted to see if she could get pregnant again naturally 2 years after Baby #1, but it doesn’t happen. they knew they didn’t wanted to do IVF again, so again they “gave up”, again one year later after “giving up”, she became pregnant. However this time, she went to see a naturopath to work on her hormones, which was “off”, she needed only to work on her hormones within couple of supplements and boom, she became pregnant. Another story - a friend had tried to get pregnant for 10 years, eventually her and her hubby came to accept it and move on with life….10 years later, in her late 40s, she gets pregnant with her first child! They had been married 20 years before they were blessed with this little miracle…. I cried so much joy for her, they wanted children so badly but never wanted to intervene with medical things.
  • @biblia843
    We tried for twelve years. A lot of people asked me why we didn’t just do IVF during that time. There was something about it that bothered me. I didn’t want to end up creating a bunch of frozen embryos, for one thing, and then have to decide what to do with those little lives. I also didn’t want to risk the possibility of getting pregnant with higher order multiples and going though that high risk pregnancy and delivery, and also be pressured to “reduce” some of them. Glory to God, we finally conceived spontaneously and then went on to have two more, the last born when I was 42 and my husband was 50, respectively.
  • @sarahadams623
    Allie please please continue to talk about this no matter what pushback you get. I almost got talked into doing ivf because of my age and I couldn’t find any Christian resources to help me decide but thankfully the Lord revealed to me that this was a process and decisions to make that I could not live with. We walked away and I’m now 41 and 21 weeks pregnant with my third baby, all naturally conceived thanks to addressing root causes through diet supplementation and acupuncture. I am so glad you are speaking up about this.
  • @vkol444
    Thank you for this interview. In my 20s I cursed my fertility for a small blip of time until God convicted me (I was very fertile). He told me that I am crying about on pregnant when there were millions of women crying bc they couldn't get pregnant. My heart breaks for everyone her listening who is trying to get pregnant, but hasn't. Remember God is good always. I pray a blessing for the woman reading this now, that God would open her womb and breath life into her. ❤
  • My husband and I are in year 4 of recurrent miscarriages. 3 so far. We both believe that IVF is not an option for us. We are leaving it all up to the will of God as we start the education process of foster/adoption.
  • Thank you for having this conversation! I’m a triplet who was born through IVF, and I have been asking God what He thinks about it. God can obviously use a flawed system, and I’m so grateful I’m here- but I have a bit of survivors’ guilt and I’m grieved to hear some of the details of this process. I definitely had a lot more risk factors in my life that contributed to my own health issues, and this conversation answers a lot of questions I’ve had. What she said about doctors encouraging parents to reduce a triplet pregnancy is real- thank God my parents weren’t willing to do that. I’m also a mom on a Holy Spirit led health journey, and I personally love natural hormone healing methods and fertility awareness. I love that this doctor listened to the Holy Spirit, and what she’s doing now is so needed! ❤
  • @velvetplans5396
    A friend of mine is the mother of a precious baby girl that was an extra IVF embryo, frozen for over 20 years. Our baby girls were born 5 days apart. Seeing the two side by side I see how God blessed the world with these two babies, that is true, and yet I can't get over the fact that my friend's beautiful daughter is only here because of human decision. She was a considered a less viable embryo than her brother that was born 20 years ago, and for that reason she almost didnt get a chance to be born. God bless her parents that saved this embryo and waited to find adoptive parents for her. IVF is such a profoundly complicated and morally confusing practice. Thank you for talking about this!
  • @MsChitterchat
    My niece and my son born as a result of ivf. Beautiful loved children. I believe God gave us the ability to use science for good. I would never do genetic testing and am pro life. Love to all.
  • Thank you for a wonderful and informative interview! My husband and I were married for 10 years and never used BC and never became pregnant. We discussed going to a fertility specialist and decided to try holistic approach first. We gave a 6 month timeline due to my advanced age-35 years old. In 3 months of counting ovulation fertile cycle, we became pregnant. At 8 weeks we found out we were having twins. Our identical twin daughters are 18 now.
  • @ladeek35
    I’m beyond child bearing, however after several years of trying to conceive, ultimately I had one live birth, 3x MC’s and 2x ectopic pregnancies. Now after 30 years of marriage I’ve been diagnosed with a severe autoimmune disease a few years ago, but have been sick since my teens. Unbeknownst to us, my health caused the infertility. Infertility is devastating. Wishing everyone here the very best.
  • @kristywood1868
    My partner was told he would be very unlikely to have kids. Fast forward we tried for 3 years and nothing I was praying hard for a baby. Then I just gave it up to god and focused on my life and then I got pregnant. Sometimes it's absolutely about healing your body during this time I was getting fitter by exercising and eating healthier was also smoking weed but God was helping to wean off that habit and once I got healthier and stopped the weed. I got pregnant. Praise God I couldn't have done it without him and now I have two kids ❤
  • @mrs.m5847
    Honestly I still believe God gave the doctors the knowledge to help. Many babies are walking this earth cause of IVF. I am grateful for that and will not bash it.
  • I have shared my story here before. Long story short, I did IVF before I gave my life to Christ. My first pregnancy, the day I found out a girl, I found out she would die. She was missing most of her brain and had the most severe case of Down's they have seen. Meaning, every single organ in her body was not normal. She was not compatible with life. I KNOW it was due to IVF. Even as I was going thru the motions to get pregnant with IVF, I had my doubts if I was supposed to do this. And then when this happened my baby girl, I knew. I was paying the consequences of my sin. I have given that to Christ, but it doesn't take the hurt away. **EDIT; I never said I was being punished for the sin. Had I chose to not play God, my daughter would not have suffered. ALSO, just because you disagree w/me, does not give you the right to be a complete jerk. You have no idea the pain and suffering that my daughter and myself went through. And EVEN IF I am wrong, I am glad now that I know the truth of Christ and that it's IMMORAL to create children in a petri dish.
  • @MrsJFJ
    This woman has 38 reviews, all 5.0. I am sure that means she cares about each of her patients, and even then, it’s hard to maintain that type of reputation. God bless her and her practice!
  • Please have her back on to talk about some natural fertility enhancing lifestyle changes! This was an edifying, educational, and encouraging podcast. Thank you!
  • @kelseyhjelm9219
    I have a relative who went through IVF years ago, and all the babies implanted. They killed 3 or 4 (can’t remember exactly) and kept twins. They’re not believers and this information was shared so casually (with different terminology, of course) that I was speechless and it broke my heart to hear.
  • @seaglass.jen86
    PCOS and endometriosis need to be a part of the infertility conversation more regularly. Too many women are undiagnosed and told that their infertility is “unexplained”.
  • @JayJay-xr8ds
    I'm pregnant with my third and don't even go into my doctors appointments until week 20 when we can learn the gender! I had one cervical check during my first pregnancy and never had one again because of how invasive it was. I am healthy, and all my babies have been healthy, so I refuse the cervical checks and go with the flow. The baby will come when it's time. I don't feel the need to track absolutely everything by going to the doctor every week. It blows my mind how doctors want you to limit cold meat, sea food, caffeine, etc while at the same time, pressure you to dope yourself up with vaccines that have incredibly harmful chemicals.