Mind, Meaning, and the Materialists

Published 2023-12-04
Friends, can everything in the world be reduced to atoms bumping against each other, and chemical reactions in our brains? Or is there something more to reality than its material elements?

That’s what Brandon Vogt and I discuss on today’s “Word on Fire Show” episode, with the help of a new book by Justin Brierley, titled The Surprising Rebirth of Belief In God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again.

A listener asks, if feelings are not acts of the will, what is contrition? A feeling, an act of the will, both, or neither?

00:00 | Intro
00:58 | Word on Fire's New Ressourcement Conference
03:10 | The problem with Materialism
07:56 | The problem with Determinism
10:57 | Consciousness and the problem it poses to Materialism
16:34 | Rationality, C.S. Lewis, and atheism
19:44 | Beauty as a path to transcendence
23:25 | Materialism's inadequacy as a source of meaning
26:03 | The Meaning Crisis without the Highest Good
29:48 | Listener question
31:36 | New book—“Popcorn with the Pope”

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All Comments (21)
  • @tommypain
    Every parent, including me, who has children who have stepped away from the faith, or who have never been brought to the faith, should sit down and listen to this with them. It’s a great beginning to an open dialogue of coming to know the Lord.
  • @ChildofGod98765
    My testimony is one of faith. No matter what we are facing God will give us strength. As a single mother I’m overwhelmed at times raising two children with autism. I started homeschooling them last year so my hours to work are limited. I keep faith in Jesus even as I struggle to pay rent and as I struggle to buy groceries for my children. Lord please take away my fears because I’m constantly in fear of homelessness. But I STILL TRUST IN YOU. Please guide me and protect me through this hard period of my life I am facing. Faith over fear! ❤
  • @davidrasch3082
    I was a soldier. Bad times. I watched my wife of twenty plus years die at home of lung cancer. That was enough for me. Turned to the Catholic Church.
  • We need to teach more critical thinking, logic and philosophy to our next generation.
  • @TaxiforMaicon
    A brilliant conversation, thank you and God bless you both.
  • So happy that materialists, determinists and atheists are rediscovering Christianity! Welcome back!
  • @judymlowder
    I love this so much! I would love to hear Bishop Barron comment on the Eastern Orthodox Podcast "Lord of Spirits." They are talking about this also. I think there is a great desire amongst young people to talk about the realization that there is MORE than just this material world. I love being a Catholic and being part of these deep conversations. Thank you, Bishop Barron for everything you and Word on Fire, do.
  • Wow Bishop Barron. I love the way you explain these things. Thank you so much!
  • @torbjorntoll1481
    The C. S. Lewis argument was reworked by the philosopher Alvin Plantinga in his work “Where the conflict really lies.” Worth reading!
  • @johnwake1001
    Yet another brilliant conversation. I'm blown by the ability of the Bishop to lay out complex ideas in simple terms.
  • Outstanding programme. Congratulations and thank you to you both for this great work.
  • @anneturner2759
    As usual , just loved this discussion. It was deep , in the very deep end of the pool ,but I kept swimming because I get it , feel it , live it , and know it ! Too bad BB has a hard time expressing himself … 😂 thanks gentlemen as always . Just turned sixty four and it has taken time and experiences to feel certain of God and His exquisite creation. I will say when I was younger , I far more self involved , small minded ect… vain . As life’s greatest gifts came my way , love, laughter, pain , wisdom, disappointment, heartache , children , grief , it is then that I felt that there must be something much bigger than me . I jumped back into mass , recieving Him and this armour wrapped itself around me with a peace I’ve never felt before. At this age now I’m looking back upon my life and it is a book. The chapter I’m in now is about the appreciation that in the utter darkness of grief that I’ve experienced, I have been given a grace of wisdom as I go along that my creator knows me and has me always . I know that life will never stop throwing curve balls at me because that is life , but bring it on I’m well equipped for the battle . Hope I’m making sense … love my BB. My very good friend is an atheist and I truly don’t know how she lives like that. I don’t get it …. at all.
  • @11kravitzn
    You can't tell a determinist what to do. They're determined to do whatever they do.
  • @tomlabooks3263
    Fantastic choice of topic, and wonderfully insightful conversation as always. 🙏🏻
  • @just3nzo267
    Been studying metaphysics this semester so I’m looking forward to this!
  • @DDGLJ
    The bet between philosopher David Chalmers and neuroscientist Koch that was settled just this year suggests that you are on the right track. Chalmers bet Koch 25 years ago that neuroscience would not be able to explain consciousness, and it hasn’t.
  • @FrankEnanoza
    Barron, been watching your material for many years. Thank you!
  • @ctrinidad5581
    This is very interesting discussion on moral judgment. Reminds me of Kohlberg’s and Gillian’s stages of moral judgment in children usually comes from interaction and experience. But what Father is saying that there is something beyond mind’s activity, which is true - our intuition for instance. Or any inspiration that comes to us that goes beyond our experience. Most of contemplatives at some level experience these.